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>>> Hertz_Donut wrote:
>>>> "Defendario" <Defendario@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> GeorgeWa****ngtonAdmirer wrote:
>>>>>> "JM" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So.. Lets say I break into your house, when you discover this you
ask
>>>>>> me to leave. But I say, "I've made the beds, washed the dishes and
>>>>>> did the
>>>>>> laundry well as swept the floors: I've done all the things you
don't
>>>>>> like to do.
>>>>>> I'm hard- working and honest, except for when I broke into your
>>>>>> house, and deserve to stay". Now according to the protestors , not
>>>>>> only must you let me stay
>>>>> Hold the freekn bus, Homer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you are of Native American extraction, and there are few
>>>>> purebred Redmen left, you are an immigrant or of immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is so wrong with a person from Latin America seeking to live
the
>>>>> American Dream, or at least to aspire to live in the land of
Freedom?
>>>>>
>>>>> The inscription on the Statue of Liberty reads...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Give me your tired, your poor,
>>>>> Your huddled m***** yearning to breathe free,
>>>>> The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
>>>>> Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
>>>>> I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you unAmerican, Georgie? Why do you hate America, and
destroy
>>>>> her sacred traditions?
>>>>>
>>>>> A tradition of welcoming hardworking immigrants which lasted
hundreds
>>>>> of years, in fact. It is the essence of the American experiment.
>>>>>
>>>> Your point is, sadly, irrelevant.
>>>>
>> Just read your post. It is not factually accurate. *MOST* immigrants
>> working in this country are illegal. Your point dealt with those who
>> immigrate here legally, not about the topic of illegal
>> immigrants...therefor irrelevant to the discussion.
>>
>
> No aSShole. The people working and living life here in America may be
> technically "illegal" according to some, but I don't thing you have the
> necessary information to develop a warrant without racial profiling,
which
> runs afoul Equal Protection, among other things.
Only to liberal idiots like you. Someone is either in this country
legally,
or not. It is not racial profiling or any such thing to verify whether
someond is here legally. No warrant is necessary. A simple question such
as "may I see your visa and work permit?". No harm to anyone if the
individual is legal. It is only the small minded like you that cannot see
that.
>
>> Nothing to prove. You proved it by stating it. I have no idea what a
>> "reichtaerd" is...
>
> A Reichtard is an ignorant sup****ter of Bushlerite Fascism, the 4th
Reich.
Neither exist. It is a figment of your imagination.
>
>>>> The average immigrant is illegal, does not pay taxes, uses our social
>>>> programs and our medical system without paying for them, put their
kids
>>>> in our schools without paying taxes..etc.
>>>>
>>> Your insinuation is a baldfaced lie. Most of the illegal Mexican
>>> workers I worked alongside paid taxes out of every paycheck, but were
>>> unable to obtain tax returns because of the fraudulent SSN.
>>
>> Most illegal immigrants are paid in cash and pay no taxes.
>
> That's a lie.
Okay, then prove me wrong. You saw it yourself...a group of illegals
congregate on a corner...a vehicle pulls up, a brief discussion ensues,
and
suddenly they are off to a job that is "under the table", pais in cash,
not
re****ted to anyone, no taxes paid. It happens tens of thousands times per
day in cities across the country. If you cannot see it, then you are even
more ignorant than you seem.
>
>> TGhe employers liek it that way, and the illegals like it that way.
>
> That's crap. Most of the illegals get regular paychecks with taxes
taken
> out. Only day laborers standing out front of Home Depot get no taxes
> taken out.
Again, you are completely wrong. THere are a few using stolen idenities,
but they are rare. Most are paid *in cash* under the table. Because you
are
a dyed in the wooll liberal whack-a-loon, you will see only what you wish
to
see. Burying your head in the sand (or, as in your case up your ass),
doesn't make the problem go away.
>
>>> Low wage earners don't pay for hospitalization, social services or
>>> schools either if they are native or immigrant, fool.
>>
>
>> In that instance, you are correct. The legal workers and taxpayers in
>> this country pay for it in higher health insurance costs, higher
hospital
>> and drug costs, and higher taxes. Someone is paying for all the
illegals
>> using our medical system and it is the taxpayers and legal workers in
>> this country.
>
> The Health care system is inadequately funded.
Because there are too many illegals and non-insured citizens sucking up
services and not paying for them.
Since no one can be
> turned away, the problem lies in the fact that illegals don't qualify
for
> Medicaid. They should.
Okay, but you pay for them I won't payu a dime for someone in this
country
illegally. If they wish to come to this country illegally, and cannot show
that they are here legally, then they should not be allowed any benefits
or
medical treatment short of life threatening illness or injury.
You being the liberal you are, long for a welfare state. Not on my
nickel.
I work hard for my money, and I will not give to illegal s***.
>
>>> Your argument lacks merit. It's basically a lie.
>>
>> Now you have something to prove. Prove the statement is a lie.
I have above. The very basis of your claims are illogical and wrong.
>>
>
> What one? I say that most illegals work for a paycheck and get taxes
> taken out. You claim the opposite. I think that's an absurd claim,
which
> flies in the face of what I saw personally in association with illegal
> Mexican workers.
You saw what you wanted to see. You took the liberal "easy way out"...you
don't see the problem simply because you choose not to see the problem.
Typical Liberal Democrat strategy.
>
> Your burden.
>
>>>> If an immigrant wants to come here legally, get a work permit and
visa,
>>>> and ultimately gain citizen****p, I commend and welcome them.
>>>>
>>> That isn't a realistic option for the numbers of persons were talking
>>> about. The demand for visas far outstrips supply. Well qualified
>>> applicants are left wanting.
So, when a visa in unavailable, they should wait until one is...not enter
the counrty illegally.
>>
>> So they come here illegally, find that it suits them, and abandon the
>> process of trying to legitimately immigrate.
>>
>
> They are here, working and not hurting anyone.
They *ARE* hurting everyone...they don't pay taxes, they siphone the money
back to wherever they came from...they tax our social, educational and
medical systems. Why? Because spineless liberals like you build a system
that is easy to cheat.
Why are you dead set on
> starting a race war with the Latin population of America?
I sad no such thing.
>
>>>> Most of the "immigrants" don't want citizen****p. They want to get
jobs
>>>> paid under the table so that they can send the money back home, so
that
>>>> they are not taxed. They want to use our system to benefit them,
>>>> without paying anything in return. They are parasites, plain and
>>>> simple.
>>>>
>>> That is a huge lie. Most of the Mexican workers I knew yearned for
>>> citizen****p and equal rights in America. They did not work under the
>>> table, and produced far more social benefit than they ever cost.
>>
>> And again you are way off the mark.
>
> Prove it.
>
>> All current fiugres show that there are many many times the number of
>> illegal immigrants than legal ones, and that they have no intent of
>> legally immigrating.
>
> Right. They have no intention of going back to Mexico and applying for
> visas like good little Miates. They will continue doing what they're
> doing in el Norte, gracias
See, even you admit you are wrong. You claim in one paragraph that they
are
here legally paying taxes, and then you admit they are here illegally and
have no intention making themselves legal. Despite what your liberal
handlers tell you, you can't have it both ways.
>
>> Many are criminals who cannot legally immigrat because of their
criminal
>> background.
>>
>
> Those are the distinct minority.
The last study found the 73% of illeglas had more than 2 *convictions* in
their own country. Of course you'll find some wild ass claim to say not.
>
>>
>>> You are a parasite, Hoe Gnu. You have never worked an honest day in
>>> your life I warrant.
>>
>> I have worked my entire life....longer than you have been alive, I
would
>> gues... I have made a good life for my family and myself.
>
> What kind of work, Hoe Gnu? Talking on a phone? Pu****ng paper?
25 years in the military, and now an executive in a bank.
>
> How many days did you spend rolling tar paper on a roof in Phoenix?
> Into molten tar, in the blazing aSSed sun.
None. I eraned an education and gathered skills that would allow me not
to
have to do that kind of menial labor. I left that work to the bucnh that
can't even master ther phrase "would you like fries with that?'
>
>>>> Note that the above does not apply to the immigrants who enter this
>>>> country legally and follow all the necessary steps.
>>>>
>>> Your artificial distinction does not impress me.
>>
>> It is only artificial in your mind. It is, in fact a very clear
>> distinction: either an immigrant is legal, or they are not. But I
guess
>> you, being a liberal, will reuse to see that.
>
> Not clear to me at all. Show me a kid raised in East LA and one raised
in
> Guadalajara, and I show you two peas in a pod. Same same
Only to someone like you who sees what he wants to see.
>
>>>> I also think we need to end the welfare state. When a healthy person
>>>> born in this country can go their entire life without ever having to
>>>> hold a job...something is wrong.
>>>>
>>> If a man promised to do not a lick of work, he ought to be given a
>>> stipend so as not to be forced to steal. Wages will go up when
workers
>>> voluntarily retire from work, and jobs go begging. Better wages will
>>> draw some back to the workforce.
>>
>> The democrats ling for a welfare atate as a way to control the
populace.
>
> No. It's a way to provide dignity for the working man.
We are talking about lazy illiterates that choose not to work for a
living.
try to stay on topic.
Something you
> wouldn't understand, Reichtard.
>
You are the one that can't stay on topic.
>> I say if a man is too lazy to work, he deserves not a dime from anyone.
>> When he steals, he should be given a fair trial, and if convicted,
>> assigned to a cahin gang to do the work that needs to be doen...and he
>> will receive nothing but his cell, his clothing and enough food to
>> survive.
>>
>
> That's proof of how sick and horrible you really are, Hoe Gnu.
No, just the way things should be. You may want to pander to lazy
illiterates and criminals, but I don't wish to. If htey cannot be a
positive part of society, they get nothing from me. It is *their* choice.
You, being a liberal, would even wipe their ***** for them. Hey...there's
a
job that'll getr you off those hot roofs...
You are
> a hateful and malevolent creature, who ought to be beaten severely and
> left for dead.
See, now your true colors show. save the trash and criminals, but kill
the
good folks. Typical.
>
>>> All society benefits from giving subsistence to the needy. Beggary
and
>>> street crime impoverish everyone by destroying the quality of life.
>>
>> A system like you envision encourages and enables beggars and welfare
>> sponges. Welfare should be very difficult to get, and even harder to
>> keep.
>
> IOW, there is no alternative to theft for survival, or outright wage
> slavery.
No...for those who simple choose not to work, they should not be cared for
by those who do. It is simple, but I guess your limited intellect will
not
let you see that.
>
>> All able bodied people should work, even if that job is not the job
they
>> want.
>
> How many times did you work jobs for mere survival?
Once, long ago. But I moved on.
Why do you want to
> sentence American workers to such a fate?
Not America. Just the lazy trash that sits on their ***** and drain my
wallet to get their needs fulfilled.
>
> You belong in the Dark Ages, with Serfs. You miserable creature...
You *are* the dark ages....
>
>> Besides, I work for my money. I don't want my taxes increased to pay
for
>> some fat ass crack smoking welfare punk.
>>
>
> No one on GA has money to smoke crack, unless they are selling it to
some
> **** who works for $$$ -- like you.
They have no money because they spend all their money on crack...I have
seen
that, too!
>
> IOW, poverty and skinflint GA promote crime. Spend your $5 billion a
week
> (the cost of war) and every homeless person could be put up with rent
and
> food assistance.
Nope, it would go into the pockets of Democrat ****k barrel pet projects,
just as it always does.
>
> But you'd rather see them starve, steal and prostitute themselves.
Not hte honest ones, You choose to put those words in my mouth. I think
the lazy ones that *won't" work deserve to descned to the level they
deserve. If it means starvation and prostitution, then so be it. Their
choice.
> That's why I hate you for the miserable fascist Reichtard bastard that
you
> are.
Since such a thing can does not exist, you are hating something that
exists
only in your mind.
>
>>>> Do not post back that someone has to take care of their kids...they
are
>>>> expert at squeezing out a new dollar maker just in time to keep the
>>>> benefits rolling in....no benefits, no kids! Simple equation. Of
>>>> course, the dems would love the entire country to be one huge welfare
>>>> state, so they could control us all!
>>>>
>>> You are a lunatic. Seek psychiatric help.
Don't need it. You are the one who makes up works and reichs, talks to
himself, and has trouble distingui****ng reality from fantasy.
>>
>> You are the one who cannot seem to find reality. You live in a dream
>> world. I think it is you that needs help.
>>
>
> You need to have your aSS beat down and your home invaded. You can
watch
> your dried up old lady get gang ****ed by Chollos right in front of you.
> They could even spooge on you for effect, before stealing everything
> movable, and destroying the rest.
Nah, that is yor neighborhood. I live in a good neighbor hood, where
everyone has jobs. Besides, I am a registered gun owner, and would simply
kill them. I know that will really get you going...I look forward to
watching you blow a gsket over that one...what a loser you are!
>
> After that, you'd have a legitimate excuse for hating Mexicans.
>
I don't hate Mexicans. You are the one who makes that claim I hate
anyone
of any nationality that is in this country illegally. See if you can get
your tiny mind around that.
> Until then you are simply a bloodthirsty little hater and bigot.
*YAWN*
I guess you are just too ignorant to understand anything.
Honu
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