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>>>> Hertz_Donut wrote:
>>>>> "Defendario" <Defendario@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> GeorgeWa****ngtonAdmirer wrote:
>>>>>>> "JM" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So.. Lets say I break into your house, when you discover this you
ask
>>>>>>> me to leave. But I say, "I've made the beds, washed the dishes and
>>>>>>> did the
>>>>>>> laundry well as swept the floors: I've done all the things you
don't
>>>>>>> like to do.
>>>>>>> I'm hard- working and honest, except for when I broke into your
>>>>>>> house, and deserve to stay". Now according to the protestors , not
>>>>>>> only must you let me stay
>>>>>> Hold the freekn bus, Homer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you are of Native American extraction, and there are few
>>>>>> purebred Redmen left, you are an immigrant or of immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is so wrong with a person from Latin America seeking to live
the
>>>>>> American Dream, or at least to aspire to live in the land of
Freedom?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The inscription on the Statue of Liberty reads...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Give me your tired, your poor,
>>>>>> Your huddled m***** yearning to breathe free,
>>>>>> The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
>>>>>> Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
>>>>>> I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you unAmerican, Georgie? Why do you hate America, and
destroy
>>>>>> her sacred traditions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A tradition of welcoming hardworking immigrants which lasted
hundreds
>>>>>> of years, in fact. It is the essence of the American experiment.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your point is, sadly, irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>> Just read your post. It is not factually accurate. *MOST* immigrants
>>> working in this country are illegal. Your point dealt with those who
>>> immigrate here legally, not about the topic of illegal
>>> immigrants...therefor irrelevant to the discussion.
>>>
>> No aSShole. The people working and living life here in America may be
>> technically "illegal" according to some, but I don't thing you have the
>> necessary information to develop a warrant without racial profiling,
which
>> runs afoul Equal Protection, among other things.
>
> Only to liberal idiots like you. Someone is either in this country
legally,
> or ..."may I see your visa and work permit?". No harm to anyone
One of those "May I zee your paperz, mein Herr? deals?
And you claim not to be a fascist
>>> Nothing to prove. You proved it by stating it. I have no idea what a
>>> "reichtaerd" is...
>> A Reichtard is an ignorant sup****ter of Bushlerite Fascism, the 4th
Reich.
>
>
>
> Neither exist. It is a figment of your imagination.
>
I callz'em likes I see'zem.
>
>>>>> The average immigrant is illegal, does not pay taxes, uses our
social
>>>>> programs and our medical system without paying for them, put their
kids
>>>>> in our schools without paying taxes..etc.
>>>>>
>>>> Your insinuation is a baldfaced lie. Most of the illegal Mexican
>>>> workers I worked alongside paid taxes out of every paycheck, but were
>>>> unable to obtain tax returns because of the fraudulent SSN.
>>> Most illegal immigrants are paid in cash and pay no taxes.
>> That's a lie.
>
> Okay, then prove me wrong. You saw it yourself...a group of illegals
> congregate on a corner...a vehicle pulls up, a brief discussion ensues,
and
> suddenly they are off to a job that is "under the table", pais in cash,
not
> re****ted to anyone, no taxes paid. It happens tens of thousands times
per
> day in cities across the country. If you cannot see it, then you are
even
> more ignorant than you seem.
>
Whitey's do that **** too. You don't imagine that those day laborers
are making tons of jack, do you?
>
>
>>> TGhe employers liek it that way, and the illegals like it that way.
>> That's crap. Most of the illegals get regular paychecks with taxes
taken
>> out. Only day laborers standing out front of Home Depot get no taxes
>> taken out.
>
> Again, you are completely wrong.
Only your zero creds to back you up? How many illegal aliens do you
know, or have eaten a meal with?
I can't count mine on both hands.
>>>> Low wage earners don't pay for hospitalization, social services or
>>>> schools either if they are native or immigrant, fool.
>>> In that instance, you are correct. The legal workers and taxpayers in
>>> this country pay for it in higher health insurance costs, higher
hospital
>>> and drug costs, and higher taxes. Someone is paying for all the
illegals
>>> using our medical system and it is the taxpayers and legal workers in
>>> this country.
>> The Health care system is inadequately funded.
>
> Because there are too many illegals and non-insured citizens sucking up
> services and not paying for them.
>
Like it's their fault they are hurt or sick?
>
> Since no one can be
>> turned away, the problem lies in the fact that illegals don't qualify
for
>> Medicaid. They should.
>
>
> Okay, but you pay for them
You must be a sup****ter of Chimpoleon's .8 Billion per day war.
> You being the liberal you are, long for a welfare state. Not on my
nickel.
> I work hard for my money, and I will not give to illegal s***.
>
But you'll pay big bucks to kill Iraqis half a world away.
POS Reichtard >:o
>
>>>> Your argument lacks merit. It's basically a lie.
>>> Now you have something to prove. Prove the statement is a lie.
>
> I have above. The very basis of your claims are illogical and wrong.
Sez the drooling Reichtard
>> What one? I say that most illegals work for a paycheck and get taxes
>> taken out. You claim the opposite. I think that's an absurd claim,
which
>> flies in the face of what I saw personally in association with illegal
>> Mexican workers.
>
> You saw what you wanted to see.
No. I tell it like I saw it.
>> Your burden.
>>
>>>>> If an immigrant wants to come here legally, get a work permit and
visa,
>>>>> and ultimately gain citizen****p, I commend and welcome them.
>>>>>
>>>> That isn't a realistic option for the numbers of persons were talking
>>>> about. The demand for visas far outstrips supply. Well qualified
>>>> applicants are left wanting.
>
> So, when a visa in unavailable, they should wait until one is...not
enter
> the counrty illegally.
>
Easy for you to say, fascist.
>>> So they come here illegally, find that it suits them, and abandon the
>>> process of trying to legitimately immigrate.
>>>
>> They are here, working and not hurting anyone.
>
>
> They *ARE* hurting everyone.
Lie
> they don't pay taxes
Lie
> they siphone the money
> back to wherever they came from
So what? What's particularly wrong with that? It helps the trade
deficit. I bet you are OK with the 12 Billion "lost" C-Notes in Baghdad.
> they tax our social, educational and
> medical systems.
No more than a poor Whitey does
> Why? Because spineless liberals like you build a system
> that is easy to cheat.
>
Most of the employers of wets vote Repug. Fact.
> Why are you dead set on
>> starting a race war with the Latin population of America?
>
> I sad no such thing.
Try to de****t the undocs and see where that gets you.
>>>>> Most of the "immigrants" don't want citizen****p. They want to get
jobs
>>>>> paid under the table so that they can send the money back home, so
that
>>>>> they are not taxed. They want to use our system to benefit them,
>>>>> without paying anything in return. They are parasites, plain and
>>>>> simple.
>>>>>
>>>> That is a huge lie. Most of the Mexican workers I knew yearned for
>>>> citizen****p and equal rights in America. They did not work under the
>>>> table, and produced far more social benefit than they ever cost.
>>> And again you are way off the mark.
>> Prove it.
>>
And you have nothing. Luser
>>> All current fiugres show that there are many many times the number of
>>> illegal immigrants than legal ones, and that they have no intent of
>>> legally immigrating.
>> Right. They have no intention of going back to Mexico and applying for
>> visas like good little Miates. They will continue doing what they're
>> doing in el Norte, gracias
>
> See, even you admit you are wrong. You claim in one paragraph that they
are
> here legally paying taxes, and then you admit they are here illegally
and
> have no intention making themselves legal. Despite what your liberal
> handlers tell you, you can't have it both ways.
>
That's your strawman, pinche. You dance with it.
Most of the lurkers can read, and I trust their judgment.
>
>>> Many are criminals who cannot legally immigrat because of their
criminal
>>> background.
>>>
>> Those are the distinct minority.
>
> The last study
>
Cite your mythical study
>
>>>> You are a parasite, Hoe Gnu. You have never worked an honest day in
>>>> your life I warrant.
>>> I have worked my entire life....longer than you have been alive, I
would
>>> gues... I have made a good life for my family and myself.
>> What kind of work, Hoe Gnu? Talking on a phone? Pu****ng paper?
>
> 25 years in the military, and now an executive in a bank.
>
You were a lifer, an AG Ranger most likely. Now a parasite in a suit.
>> How many days did you spend rolling tar paper on a roof in Phoenix?
>> Into molten tar, in the blazing aSSed sun.
>
> None. I eraned an education and gathered skills that would allow me not
to
> have to do that kind of menial labor. I left that work to the bucnh
that
> can't even master ther phrase "would you like fries with that?'
>
You disrespect labor which you could not perform yourself, but benefit
from on a constant basis. You are a fascist, and despise the working man.
I spit on such as you.
>
>>>>> Note that the above does not apply to the immigrants who enter this
>>>>> country legally and follow all the necessary steps.
>>>>>
>>>> Your artificial distinction does not impress me.
>>> It is only artificial in your mind. It is, in fact a very clear
>>> distinction: either an immigrant is legal, or they are not. But I
guess
>>> you, being a liberal, will reuse to see that.
>> Not clear to me at all. Show me a kid raised in East LA and one raised
in
>> Guadalajara, and I show you two peas in a pod. Same same
>
> Only to someone like you who sees what he wants to see.
Do the undocs have the fact tattooed on them? Do tell.
>>>>> I also think we need to end the welfare state. When a healthy
person
>>>>> born in this country can go their entire life without ever having to
>>>>> hold a job...something is wrong
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