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>>>>>>> GeorgeWa****ngtonAdmirer wrote:
>>>>>>>> "JM" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So.. Lets say I break into your house, when you discover this you
>>>>>>>> ask me to leave. But I say, "I've made the beds, washed the
dishes
>>>>>>>> and did the
>>>>>>>> laundry well as swept the floors: I've done all the things you
>>>>>>>> don't like to do.
>>>>>>>> I'm hard- working and honest, except for when I broke into your
>>>>>>>> house, and deserve to stay". Now according to the protestors ,
not
>>>>>>>> only must you let me stay
>>>>>>> Hold the freekn bus, Homer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless you are of Native American extraction, and there are few
>>>>>>> purebred Redmen left, you are an immigrant or of immigrants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is so wrong with a person from Latin America seeking to live
>>>>>>> the American Dream, or at least to aspire to live in the land of
>>>>>>> Freedom?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The inscription on the Statue of Liberty reads...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Give me your tired, your poor,
>>>>>>> Your huddled m***** yearning to breathe free,
>>>>>>> The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
>>>>>>> Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
>>>>>>> I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are you unAmerican, Georgie? Why do you hate America, and
>>>>>>> destroy her sacred traditions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A tradition of welcoming hardworking immigrants which lasted
>>>>>>> hundreds of years, in fact. It is the essence of the American
>>>>>>> experiment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your point is, sadly, irrelevant.
>>>>>>
>>>> Just read your post. It is not factually accurate. *MOST* immigrants
>>>> working in this country are illegal. Your point dealt with those who
>>>> immigrate here legally, not about the topic of illegal
>>>> immigrants...therefor irrelevant to the discussion.
>>>>
>>> No aSShole. The people working and living life here in America may be
>>> technically "illegal" according to some, but I don't thing you have
the
>>> necessary information to develop a warrant without racial profiling,
>>> which runs afoul Equal Protection, among other things.
>>
>> Only to liberal idiots like you. Someone is either in this country
>> legally, or ..."may I see your visa and work permit?". No harm to
anyone
>
> One of those "May I zee your paperz, mein Herr? deals?
>
> And you claim not to be a fascist
>
>>>> Nothing to prove. You proved it by stating it. I have no idea what
a
>>>> "reichtaerd" is...
>>> A Reichtard is an ignorant sup****ter of Bushlerite Fascism, the 4th
>>> Reich.
>>
>>
>>
>> Neither exist. It is a figment of your imagination.
>>
>
> I callz'em likes I see'zem.
>
>>
>>>>>> The average immigrant is illegal, does not pay taxes, uses our
social
>>>>>> programs and our medical system without paying for them, put their
>>>>>> kids in our schools without paying taxes..etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your insinuation is a baldfaced lie. Most of the illegal Mexican
>>>>> workers I worked alongside paid taxes out of every paycheck, but
were
>>>>> unable to obtain tax returns because of the fraudulent SSN.
>>>> Most illegal immigrants are paid in cash and pay no taxes.
>>> That's a lie.
>>
>> Okay, then prove me wrong. You saw it yourself...a group of illegals
>> congregate on a corner...a vehicle pulls up, a brief discussion ensues,
>> and suddenly they are off to a job that is "under the table", pais in
>> cash, not re****ted to anyone, no taxes paid. It happens tens of
>> thousands times per day in cities across the country. If you cannot
see
>> it, then you are even more ignorant than you seem.
>>
>
> Whitey's do that **** too. You don't imagine that those day laborers
are
> making tons of jack, do you?
>>
>>
>>>> TGhe employers liek it that way, and the illegals like it that way.
>>> That's crap. Most of the illegals get regular paychecks with taxes
>>> taken out. Only day laborers standing out front of Home Depot get no
>>> taxes taken out.
>>
>> Again, you are completely wrong.
>
> Only your zero creds to back you up? How many illegal aliens do you
know,
> or have eaten a meal with?
>
> I can't count mine on both hands.
>
>>>>> Low wage earners don't pay for hospitalization, social services or
>>>>> schools either if they are native or immigrant, fool.
>>>> In that instance, you are correct. The legal workers and taxpayers
in
>>>> this country pay for it in higher health insurance costs, higher
>>>> hospital and drug costs, and higher taxes. Someone is paying for all
>>>> the illegals using our medical system and it is the taxpayers and
legal
>>>> workers in this country.
>>> The Health care system is inadequately funded.
>>
>> Because there are too many illegals and non-insured citizens sucking up
>> services and not paying for them.
>>
>
> Like it's their fault they are hurt or sick?
>
>>
>> Since no one can be
>>> turned away, the problem lies in the fact that illegals don't qualify
>>> for Medicaid. They should.
>>
>>
>> Okay, but you pay for them
>
> You must be a sup****ter of Chimpoleon's .8 Billion per day war.
>
>> You being the liberal you are, long for a welfare state. Not on my
>> nickel. I work hard for my money, and I will not give to illegal s***.
>>
>
> But you'll pay big bucks to kill Iraqis half a world away.
>
> POS Reichtard >:o
>
>>
>>>>> Your argument lacks merit. It's basically a lie.
>>>> Now you have something to prove. Prove the statement is a lie.
>>
>> I have above. The very basis of your claims are illogical and wrong.
>
> Sez the drooling Reichtard
>
>>> What one? I say that most illegals work for a paycheck and get taxes
>>> taken out. You claim the opposite. I think that's an absurd claim,
>>> which flies in the face of what I saw personally in association with
>>> illegal Mexican workers.
>>
>> You saw what you wanted to see.
>
> No. I tell it like I saw it.
>
>>> Your burden.
>>>
>>>>>> If an immigrant wants to come here legally, get a work permit and
>>>>>> visa, and ultimately gain citizen****p, I commend and welcome them.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That isn't a realistic option for the numbers of persons were
talking
>>>>> about. The demand for visas far outstrips supply. Well qualified
>>>>> applicants are left wanting.
>>
>> So, when a visa in unavailable, they should wait until one is...not
enter
>> the counrty illegally.
>>
>
> Easy for you to say, fascist.
>
>>>> So they come here illegally, find that it suits them, and abandon the
>>>> process of trying to legitimately immigrate.
>>>>
>>> They are here, working and not hurting anyone.
>>
>>
>> They *ARE* hurting everyone.
>
> Lie
>
>> they don't pay taxes
>
> Lie
>
>> they siphone the money back to wherever they came from
>
> So what? What's particularly wrong with that? It helps the trade
> deficit. I bet you are OK with the 12 Billion "lost" C-Notes in
Baghdad.
>
>> they tax our social, educational and medical systems.
>
> No more than a poor Whitey does
>
>> Why? Because spineless liberals like you build a system that is easy
to
>> cheat.
>>
>
> Most of the employers of wets vote Repug. Fact.
>
>> Why are you dead set on
>>> starting a race war with the Latin population of America?
>>
>> I sad no such thing.
>
> Try to de****t the undocs and see where that gets you.
>
>>>>>> Most of the "immigrants" don't want citizen****p. They want to get
>>>>>> jobs paid under the table so that they can send the money back
home,
>>>>>> so that they are not taxed. They want to use our system to benefit
>>>>>> them, without paying anything in return. They are parasites, plain
>>>>>> and simple.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That is a huge lie. Most of the Mexican workers I knew yearned for
>>>>> citizen****p and equal rights in America. They did not work under
the
>>>>> table, and produced far more social benefit than they ever cost.
>>>> And again you are way off the mark.
>>> Prove it.
>>>
>
> And you have nothing. Luser
>
>>>> All current fiugres show that there are many many times the number of
>>>> illegal immigrants than legal ones, and that they have no intent of
>>>> legally immigrating.
>>> Right. They have no intention of going back to Mexico and applying
for
>>> visas like good little Miates. They will continue doing what they're
>>> doing in el Norte, gracias
>>
>> See, even you admit you are wrong. You claim in one paragraph that they
>> are here legally paying taxes, and then you admit they are here
illegally
>> and have no intention making themselves legal. Despite what your
liberal
>> handlers tell you, you can't have it both ways.
>>
>
> That's your strawman, pinche. You dance with it.
>
> Most of the lurkers can read, and I trust their judgment.
>
>>
>>>> Many are criminals who cannot legally immigrat because of their
>>>> criminal background.
>>>>
>>> Those are the distinct minority.
>>
>> The last study
>
> Cite your mythical study
>
Google Rikers Island stats....
>>
>>>>> You are a parasite, Hoe Gnu. You have never worked an honest day in
>>>>> your life I warrant.
>>>> I have worked my entire life....longer than you have been alive, I
>>>> would gues... I have made a good life for my family and myself.
>>> What kind of work, Hoe Gnu? Talking on a phone? Pu****ng paper?
>>
>> 25 years in the military, and now an executive in a bank.
>>
>
> You were a lifer, an AG Ranger most likely. Now a parasite in a suit.
No, I work for a living. I pay taxes to sup****t parasites like *YOU*.
>
>>> How many days did you spend rolling tar paper on a roof in Phoenix?
>>> Into molten tar, in the blazing aSSed sun.
>>
>> None. I eraned an education and gathered skills that would allow me
not
>> to have to do that kind of menial labor. I left that work to the bucnh
>> that can't even master ther phrase "would you like fries with that?'
>>
>
> You disrespect labor which you could not perform yourself, but benefit
> from on a constant basis. You are a fascist, and despise the working
man.
No, I simply made a decision that I did not want to do that for a living.
I
do many repairs around my home, and roofing dies not require a high degree
of intelligence or strenght. My point was that I chose a differnet way to
earn a living...I chose not to do physical labor.
>
> I spit on such as you.
ANd it would earn you a sound eating. In most states, spitting on someone
is considered a physical assault.
>
>>
>>>>>> Note that the above does not apply to the immigrants who enter this
>>>>>> country legally and follow all the necessary steps.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your artificial distinction does not impress me.
>>>> It is only artificial in your mind. It is, in fact a very clear
>>>> distinction: either an immigrant is legal, or they are not. But I
>>>> guess you, being a liberal, will reuse to see that.
>>> Not clear to me at all. Show me a kid raised in East LA and one
raised
>>> in Guadalajara, and I show you two peas in a pod. Same same
>>
>> Only to someone like you who sees what he wants to see.
>
> Do the undocs have the fact tattooed on them? Do tell.
No, but you fail to accept that it is easy to find out if one is illegal
or
not. No need for tattoos.
No more a violaiton of self than someone asking for a picture ID when you
pay for something with a credit card.
There are only two possible choices...legal or illegal. Illegal should be
denied any benefits and de****ted. SImple. Easy. But it won't fit your
tree hugging philosophy. I do not subscribe to the vast welfare state
envisioned by the liberal democrats to control us...
>
>>>>>> I also think we need to end the welfare state. When a healthy
person
>>>>>> born in this country can go their entire life without ever having
to
>>>>>> hold a job...something is wrong
Honu
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