Seawolf wrote:
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>> Seawolf wrote:
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>>>> Hertz_Donut wrote:
>>>>> "Defendario" <Defendario@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> GeorgeWa****ngtonAdmirer wrote:
>>>>>>> "JM" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So.. Lets say I break into your house, when you discover this you
ask
>>>>>>> me to leave. But I say, "I've made the beds, washed the dishes and
>>>>>>> did the
>>>>>>> laundry well as swept the floors: I've done all the things you
don't
>>>>>>> like to do.
>>>>>>> I'm hard- working and honest, except for when I broke into your
>>>>>>> house, and deserve to stay". Now according to the protestors , not
>>>>>>> only must you let me stay
>>>>>> Hold the freekn bus, Homer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you are of Native American extraction, and there are few
>>>>>> purebred Redmen left, you are an immigrant or of immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is so wrong with a person from Latin America seeking to live
the
>>>>>> American Dream, or at least to aspire to live in the land of
Freedom?
>>> Nothing, as long as they abide by the law.
>>>
>> So you favor amnesty for the hard working, law abiding Mexicans.
>> 8-)
>
> Yes, as long as they entered the country legally, if they didn't then
they
> aren't law abiding........
>
Bull****, Seamouse. The legal-illegal distinction is artificial, and
meaningless.
>>>>>> The inscription on the Statue of Liberty reads...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Give me your tired, your poor,
>>>>>> Your huddled m***** yearning to breathe free,
>>>>>> The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
>>>>>> Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
>>>>>> I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
>>>
>>> How many of our current "Latin Americans of questionable citeszen****p"
>>> can quote that, let alone claim to have seen the Statue of Liberty?
>>>
>> That's irrelevant. It's one of the key traditions of America
>
> True, it is one of the key traditions of America, what isn't true is
your
> first sentence.
>
Whatever the fuk that's supposed to mean.
>>>>>> Why are you unAmerican, Georgie? Why do you hate America, and
destroy
>>>>>> her sacred traditions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A tradition of welcoming hardworking immigrants which lasted
hundreds
>>>>>> of years, in fact. It is the essence of the American experiment.
>>> True. But purposely eveading the law of America is NOT!
>>>
>> Make it feasible for them to obey. They aren't trained monkeys, eager
to
>> jump thru bureaucratic hoops. The mojados just want to work.
>
>
> So, you're all for them ignoring our laws....not paying SS or taxes?
Wets pay the most taxes. They get withholding taken out, and can't get
refunds because -- they're on the wrong SSN!
> I have
> no problem with immigrants who enter this country legally, I have a real
> problem with those who enter illegally, don't pay taxes and insist that
the
> US provide everything in espanol as well............
>
Let them be legal, and you'll feel much better.
They're already here and working anyway.
>>>>> Your point is, sadly, irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>> Your point to prove, Reichtard.
>>> Nope, yours.
>>>
>> What point? Do you have one?
>
> Yes. To bad you aren't bright enough to get it.
>
The irony...
>
>>>>> The average immigrant is illegal, does not pay taxes, uses our
social
>>>>> programs and our medical system without paying for them, put their
kids
>>>>> in our schools without paying taxes..etc.
>>>>>
>>>> Your insinuation is a baldfaced lie. Most of the illegal Mexican
>>>> workers I worked alongside paid taxes out of every paycheck, but were
>>>> unable to obtain tax returns because of the fraudulent SSN.
>>> You are a fool if you believe what you just said.
>> I believe it because I know it to be true. Every wet I worked with
(and
>> there were hundreds) worked for a paycheck and had taxes taken out.
>
> I guess I should take your "word" for it.....you've proven to be so
> believable and intelligent so far....LOL!
>
Go ahead with your delusions. You are ineducable.
>
>>> .....let's not even deal with the FACT that you are criminal if you
>>> knowingly worked with ILLEGAL immegrants and said nothing.............
>>>
>> Said nothing? Who the fuk was I supposed to tell? Have La Migra haul
all
>> my compadres away, and leave me with no crew to work on?
>>
>> Are you mad?
>
> Nope, just a law abiding citizen. You, obviously, are not.
>
You're an idiot. You better stay in the service -- the real world will
be too tough for a goof like you.
>
>>>> Low wage earners don't pay for hospitalization, social services or
>>>> schools either if they are native or immigrant, fool.
>>> No, they don't. They rely on the fact that tax paying citizens of the
>>> country they are illegaly in will pay for the care they
recieve.....and
>>> Americans wonder why our insurance rates are so high..........
>>>
>> American insurance rates would be a lot lower across the board with a
>> Canadian style system.
>
>
> Ahhhhhhhhhh, the socialized health care system argument. That was
destroyed
> back in the '90s..............
>
Every other industrialized nation on Earth, and many non-industrial
ones, have universal health coverage. Only the pigheaded US persists in
its antiquated system.
>
>> Everyone who gets sick or injured in America
>> ought to have a right to treatment. Period.
>
>
> Everyone who is a citizen? Or are you saying that if they break our
laws
> and are here illegally they should have that "right" as well?
>
Everyone. That means everyone, for idiots like you.
>
>>>> Your argument lacks merit. It's basically a lie.
>>> No, your rebuttal lacks merit.
>
> No, you're "argument"(and I'm being kind here) is flawed and lacks
merit.
>
???
>
>> Rebuttal of what?
>>
>>>>> If an immigrant wants to come here legally, get a work permit and
visa,
>>>>> and ultimately gain citizen****p, I commend and welcome them.
>>>>>
>>>> That isn't a realistic option for the numbers of persons were talking
>>>> about. The demand for visas far outstrips supply. Well qualified
>>>> applicants are left wanting.
>>>
>>> Spoken like a true idiot......
>>>
>> You never cease to amaze me Seamouse.
>
> I'm sure I don't. I bet you say that to anyone who has greater than a
5th
> grade education.........
>
Retard. You cannot hold a candle to my intellect.
>>> Why is it okay for Mexico to apprehend or shoot people trying to cross
>>> their Southern border illegally, but somehow, we (the USA) are
supposed
>>> to allow anyone to break OUR laws to enter our country?
>>>
>> When does that ever happen? What American was shot by Federales?
>
> Read the ENTIRE statement before making yourself look like an
> idiot..........
>
You are a lying sack of ****. IOW the Federales haven't shot anyone.
>>>>> Most of the "immigrants" don't want citizen****p. They want to get
jobs
>>>>> paid under the table so that they can send the money back home, so
that
>>>>> they are not taxed. They want to use our system to benefit them,
>>>>> without paying anything in return. They are parasites, plain and
>>>>> simple.
>>>>>
>>>> That is a huge lie.
>>> Which is why the majority of the GNP of Mexico is American
>>> dollars.....right?
>>>
>> Proof of this bizarre assertion?
>
> Google "Mexico GNP" to many cites to list............
>
I don't really understand the concept of one country's GNP being
another's. That seems gimmicky. WTF?
>>> Most of the Mexican workers I knew yearned for
>>>> citizen****p and equal rights in America.
>>>
>>> Then why aren't you condeming the country they came from?
>>>
>> Why should I? What difference would it make if I did?
>
> You're right. Who'd listen to an idiot like you?
>
Don't. Killfile me and be done with it.
I only fiddle with you for cheap entertainment. You have nothing of
interest to offer.
>
>>> They did not work under the
>>>> table, and produced far more social benefit than they ever cost.
>>>
>>> What would that be? The money that tax payers have spent to make sure
>>> that all menus are in English and Spanish?
>>>
>> What tax payer money ever printed a menu?
>
> Wow! Keep showing your idiocy! Economics 101 wasn't your strength, was
it?
>
You can't show a single example. You lose.
>> The reason why service institutions cater to the Hispanic population is
>> because those people have money to spend. Government institutions
ought
>> to be accessible to those who are here but lack the ability to
understand
>> English. They still have human rights, Seamouse, even if they don't
>> speakee the Anglaiz
>
> Hope you speak espanol moron, it's people as ignorant as you who are
going
> to allow it to be the dominant language.....
>
Why should I worry? I was born white, and thus have a leg up on all
Mexicans
>>>> You are a parasite, Hoe Gnu. You have never worked an honest day in
>>>> your life I warrant.
>>>>
>>>>> Note that the above does not apply to the immigrants who enter this
>>>>> country legally and follow all the necessary steps.
>>>>>
>>>> Your artificial distinction does not impress me.
>>>
>>> Why would anyone worry about impressing someone like you? You've
already
>>> admitted to a felony..........
>>>
>> What felony? To failing to re****t undocs to the migra?
>
> Yes.
>
You're a retard. No reasonable likelihood of a conviction of that case.
>> LOL, what an idiot you are, Seamouse.
>> :-D
>
> LOL what a moron you are. You prove it everytime you post....keep at it
> though, I could use the down-time from debating intelligent
people.........
> :-)
>
"Intelligent people" surely doesn't include you.
>
>>>>> I also think we need to end the welfare state. When a healthy
person
>>>>> born in this country can go their entire life without ever having to
>>>>> hold a job...something is wrong.
>>>>>
>>>> If a man promised to do not a lick of work, he ought to be given a
>>>> stipend so as not to be forced to steal. Wages will go up when
workers
>>>> voluntarily retire from work, and jobs go begging. Better wages will
>>>> draw some back to the workforce.
>>> Who?
>>>
>> Workers, dumbass. Reread what I wrote until it sinks in.
>>
>>>> All society benefits from giving subsistence to the needy. Beggary
and
>>>> street crime impoverish everyone by destroying the quality of life.
>>>
>>> Yeah, worked great for the USSR......
>>>
>> Actually it worked well there, until the crazed military spending of
the
>> USSR torpedoed the economy. Social services were quite good for the
lower
>> cl***** in fUSSR. Only after glasnost did people begin to suffer.
>>
>>>>> Do not post back that someone has to take care of their kids...they
are
>>>>> expert at squeezing out a new dollar maker just in time to keep the
>>>>> benefits rolling in....no benefits, no kids! Simple equation. Of
>>>>> course, the dems would love the entire country to be one huge
welfare
>>>>> state, so they could control us all!
>>>>>
>>>> You are a lunatic. Seek psychiatric help.
>>> You are ignorant.....educate yourself....relying on the TV doesn't
help
>>> you!
>>>
>> I seldom watch TV Seamouse. Stay away from Freepers and other
Reichwing
>> sources. Bone up on your New Testament, while you're at it. Develop
some
>> compassion for those who struggle.
>>
I notice you befuddled silence on these last few points.
Your concession of defeat is graciously accepted.
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