On May 17, 7:02=A0pm, guig <g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On 2008-05-16 12:45:50 +0100, "Chris S" <Jas...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
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> > "guig" <g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >news:2008051607303716807-guig@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> On 2008-05-15 13:22:55 +0100, "Chris S" <Jas...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
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> >>> "guig" <g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>news:2008051511585575249-guig@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> On 2008-05-15 11:48:48 +0100, "\"The Rifleman\""
<survi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
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> >>>>> And the jocks dare complain about bad English behaviour, just look
a=
t the
> >>>>> filth the scots left in manchester, they behaved like they were at
h=
ome, not
> >>>>> guests in another country.
>
> >>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7402354.stm
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> >>>> And you English football fans behave in exactly the same way,
rioting=
> >>>> and wrecking the place. How many cities in Europe have you wrecked
in=
> >>>> your travels? Luxembourg, Rotterdam, Croatia, Dublin, ****tugal and
ma=
ny
> >>>> many more.
>
> >>> Of course Scot fans don't get the chance because they never qualify
fo=
r
> >>> any major competitions.
>
> >> I believe we reached exactly the same stages as England did for the
> >> Euro Champion****ps this time.
>
> > The exception for us, the norm for you.
>
> Check the history of the last few decades, there is only about 1 or two
> tournaments in it. :)
>
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> > lol
>
> >>>> They even go as far as to riot in their own cities when eliminated
fr=
om
> >>>> competitions, Newcastle, London, Jersey and attacking a ****tugese
run=
> >>>> pub in Norwich. Why do you think you are not welcome anywhere in
Euro=
pe?
>
> >>> I see you speak for a continet, is it an unpaid job that you have
take=
n
> >>> upon yourself?
>
> >> England still has a reputation for football hooliganism and a major
> >> problem with hooliganism, why do you think
>
> > No it doesn't, have you seen happens in Holland, Poland, Italy and
Russi=
a?
> > I'm not talking about the odd fight, you'll see taht on any weekend in
> > any town.
> > I'm talking about riots and organised violence, on large scales, there
> > hasn't been any of that by English fans for some time, certainly not
on
> > the scale of teh above countries.
>
> Manchester fans in Rome last year I believe. The EBC has a long track
> record of not covering English violence abroad but they certainly seem
> to be dedicating a lot of time and bandwidth to the coverage of this.
> The English meeja have been waiting for over 30 years to have a go at
> the reputation of the Scottish fans and have finally got their chance.
> I certainly didn't see as much coverage as this when the English fans
> were fighting and rioting in ****tugal after being dumped out of the
> tournament there, or much re****ting of the fighting and attacks on
> ****tugese nationals in English towns such as Norwich and on Jersey. And
> there fairly regular incidents involving teams such as Cardiff,
> Millwall etc.
>
> > Now Scost claim there fans are well behaved, Manchester knows
different
> > and we have all seen the violence, so no excuses from you.
>
> You have seen a small minority of fans ... out of the 100,000+ people
> there how many were involved in the fighting? How many incidents of
> rioting can you name involving Scottish fans in the last 30 years? Now
> do the same for England, once you have achieved the same reputation as
> us then feel free to come back and pontificate.
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>> Now **** right off and sort out your own mess sockpuppet before
> >>>> pontificating on others.
>
> >>> The myth of the Scot fan being a freindly fan regardless of winning
or=
> >>> losing has been smashed
>
> >> The trouble started long before the end of the game, when the screen
> >> broke the true fans headed towards the buses and the remaining sites
> >> while a bunch of ****wits took umbrage and lost the plot. The
> >> reputation of the Scots fans has been tarnished by the 0.2% of
lackwits=
> >> in the crowd but it does not diminish 25 years of exemplary behaviour
> >> across Europe and the world.
>
> > I know exactly what started the problem and it isn't an excuse and
> > don't try an make it that it is.
> > As I say the reason why the scots have a claimed good reputationa
cross
> > the word is because they haven't qualified for a competition since
Euro
> > 96.
>
> So we don't travel to qualifying matches or compete in European club
> tournaments? Did another Scottish club not make a UEFA Cup final in
> Seville a few years back? Perhaps you can tell me exactly what trouble
> was caused there? In fact perhaps you can give me a list of the major
> incidents involving Scottish fans in the last 30 years? Then sit down
> and do the same for English fans.
>
>
>
> >> If only the reputation of English football was as good.
>
> > It is, take a look what is happening in Europe,
>
> You mean
this?http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1298128,00.html=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoYikreK6ng4http://www.telegraph.co.uk/s****t=
/main.jhtml?xml=3D/s****t/2007/04/06/sfn...http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spage=
s/959165.htmlhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/s****t/football/european_footba=
ll/art...http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/oct/17/newsstory.englandfoo=
tb...
>
> The
>
> >>> amount of mess that they have produced, urinating in public is
disgrac=
eful.
> >>> Rioting for five hours just because a tv display broke, and when
they
> >>> technicians tried to fix it they were attacked resulting in the
repair=
> >>> being stopped.
> >>> It was strange that on the TV news last night a Scot was blaming all
> >>> this on Manchester, saying they couldn't run a game never mind a
final=
..
> >>> This a city with two premier league teams and stadia of over 120,000
> >>> seats. Who puts on matches with away sup****ters without the trouble
on=
> >>> the scale of what the Scots did.
>
> >> Chris, you will find no sympathy for the utter morons who indulged in
> >> this violence up here.
>
> > Really, your first post in response to this was to bring England into
it=
..
>
> Have you read every post I've made? The one in this thread was in
> response to the bigotry of the posts by the great hypocrites
> McHenderarse and Trifleman. People like them who do nothing but spout
> their own anti-Scottish bigotry (especially Henderson) get no quarter.
>
> > There was no England fans there, only scots.
>
> Really? You are 100% sure that there were NO English football fans or
> English people involved in the fighting?
>
> > Condem your own fans without trying to excuse their behavouir by
> > referring to past England fan behaviour.
>
> Already done on some of the football newsgroups. I have no sympathy
> with anyone taking part in football violence and am more than happy for
> them to face the full measure of British justice. At no time was I
> attempting to excuse the behaviour of mindless thugs, I merely found it
> ironic that there is so much hand wringing and outrage from a country
> with such a stellar reputation for football violence. The stench of
> hypocrisy is staggering.
>
>
>
> >>> Next you will be telling me how the racist chants between Rangers
and
> >>> Celtic is good humour and the threat made against the Catholic
player
> >>> was nothing
>
> >> Why would I make those claims? Both clubs have eejits amongst them
and
> >> the behaviour of, again a vocal minority, is an embarrasment to the
> >> clubs and the country, just like the English football hooligans must
be=
> >> to you.
>
> > English football doesn't have a problem with religion as Rangers and
> > Celtic currently have, and never to the extent of threatening a
player.
>
> Really? How about these 2 Reading
players?http://news.bbc.co.uk/s****t1/hi/=
football/teams/r/reading/6153958.stmhttp://www.itv-football.co.uk/story/0,19=
239,6145_3194922,00.html
>
> Anyway, I've said all I'm going to say on the matter and will let the
> Police track down the perpetrators and deal with them. It was nice
> debating with you again even if you are wrong :)
I do fear that this sad episode had once again put the idea of "Home"
internationals on the back burner. They have no chance of being
resurrected.
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