Further, "....the bitterer become my feelings towards those
psuedo-Social-Democrats whose preachings bring disgrace on the calling of
a
revolutionary," who fail to understand that our task is not to champion
the
degrading of the revolutionary to the level of amateur, but to raise the
amateurs to the level of revolutionaries.
I have set my face against these two as enemies of the people and will not
accept their apologies for which they will never give anyway.
[COMMENT: Logical!]
I love and respect Hari as a brother, as a Comrade in Arms. I will protect
Hari
with my life in need be.
[COMMENT: Now let's soon hear Hari himself! He should be pretty much
impressed
by this, or what?]
I understand his position in this forum and in no way cast blame on him
for
this matter. He is compelled to be fair in accordance with the principles
because of his position, I, on the other hand, am not bound in this same
way
and I condemn these two capitalist agents as enemies of the people.
[COMMENT: You're "promising" to "fight dirty"! But this you
arch-reactionaries
always did anyway, so what's really new?]
Comrade Simonson, I sincerely appreciate your concern for me but I cannot
take
this stand in any other way other than a public denouncement of these two
criminals.
[COMMENT: Good! And on as many newsgroups as possible, with those
"arguments"
which you and your friends may try to bring - cutting your own throats
politically.]
Our task is to expose such wretched anti-Marxist-Leninist methods. They
willingly chose to expose themselves and declared themselves guilty as
being
traitors and enemies of the people. They deserve more than simple
expulsion and
should we ever meet face to face in the struggle, I vow they will.
In Unity Mark Scott
[COMMENT: YES!! MORE than expulsion too! Face to face battle! That's
precisely
what I want with you - well, would have, if you'd been real. Only, not
precisely one against one, but some 50-100 against one, which is what the
proletariat and its allies can mobilize against you ultra-reactionaries.
Let's
see who will really get clubbed to death! - respectively, would have, if -
I'm
sorry to say - you, that otherwise so even more instructive enemy of the
people, hadn't been just a ghost worked up by poor old Murray in his
desperation.]
Subject: US DEMOCRACY IS BUTCHERY
To: hari.kumar@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mark quotes a long article by Hari here, just to show whom he
admires.]
.......
12E) PER REPLIES TO "QUESTION MARK'S" LATEST CRANK-UP - STILL IN THE MAIN
BADLY
(I HOLD, BUT NO MORE COMMENTS HERE ON THIS
To: <internationalstrugglemarxistleninist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
From: "Per Rasmussen" <pera@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:56:42 +0200 [or: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:56:42 GMT]
Subject: SV: Enemies of the People
Dear Mark!
Dear friend and comrade!
"Enemies of the People"
Mark - come down - and take a look at what you saying?!
[COMMENT: You don't think "he" *is* doing that? (Added in 2008: As readers
can
see here, my promise in my headline above in 2000, "no more comments here
on
this", I couldn't quite manage to keep.)]
How the hell do you think that it possible to unite on anything if a
problem so
little can flip you out? Rolf thinks that Sue and others is the one and
same
person. He is maybe paranoid on this - so what?
[COMMENT: So maybe you won't stop using such swinishnesses, citizen Per.
The
people should be warned about you too. ]
You are worst than Rolf in acting paranoid and calling people "names".
Please
stop that - and came give us something useful.
[COMMENT: Still putting me and the "Q-Mark" (imaginary) creep on basically
the
same level, Per.
Marxism-Leninism is NOT personal therapy for personal issues - it is a
great
tool with which the people can defend them self and make revolution!
[COMMENT: Yes! But *you* are not even doing this, Per, but are licking
this
Murray-s***bag's boots once more!]
What do you think of the Anshan-people? This is something we can debate on
the
Internet.
[COMMENT: And by the way, how is the weather in Præstø, Denmark, just
now?]
I am surprised that Rolf can piss you all of so must [Added in 2008:
Probably
meaning: so much - RM] that 1-2-3 gone is what matters.
[COMMENT: Please reflect then, Per, a little on how that can be. And read
again
some of that good Mao stuff you do have.]
Let us get back to something useful again!
[COMMENT: "Let's NOT fire back!" "Let's turn the other cheek!"]
-----------------------
Yours in solidarity
Per Rasmussen
........
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Hantayo000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:Hantayo000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
18. august 2000 21:08
Til: internationalstrugglemarxistleninist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[International-Struggle-Marxist-Leninist
Enemies of the People
..........
12F) "MEIA" ADMIRES "QUESTION MARK'S" STYLE
To: internationalstrugglemarxistleninist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: meia_dawn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:35:20 -0000 [or: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:35:20 GMT]
Subject: To Cde Scott
Dear Comrade Mark Scott,
This was supposed to be a post-scriptum to my earlier reply to you, but
since
this stupid dispute over RM has gone so far that I forgot it in my anger,
I
would just like to give you my very belated warm welcome back to
discussion,
for however brief period.
[COMMENT: List newbie "Question Mark" (Scott) - arrived on 16.08 - has
earlier
written that he unfortunately will not be able to stay more than some 4-5
days;
then he'll be off for some month or so.]
Your pure-hearted compassion and dedication to the cause which practically
****nes from your unpretentious and sincere style to write is very
inspiring and
almost makes me jealous when I compare it to my scizhophrenic
outbursts[...]
[COMMENT: That's true admiration for you! Readers will have seen too the
above
recommendation from "mart" Murray to me to "go **** myself". It seems here
that
someone else is doing this, in more "concrete practice"....]
- not to mention the outstanding example you pose as a former military
chauvinist who was able to see past his mistakes and repent before the
people.
I still have a long way to go from that of yours [yes, VERY long! - RM],
and I
wish to thank you for beign a living proof of what the science that aims
to
change the world is capable of. I know many who should learn from you.
[COMMENT: On that latest, I absolutely agree!]
And NO, as Comrade Kumar already pointed out - I'll NOT accept that you
would
resign from this list.
Long Live The Cause
Meia Dawn
12G) AND NOW AT LAST THE POSITION OF HARI KUMAR VIS-A-VIS "QUESTION MARK"
SCOTT: A REPLY TO - PER[!!]
To: internationalstrugglemarxistleninist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "ISML " <hari.kumar@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:41:54 -0000 [or: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:41:54 GMT]
Subject: Reply To Per
Per:
I am reviewing the welter of messages with a bit more care. Whether it is
your
language problem or whatever : DO NOT CHARGE COMRADE MARK WITH BEING
'SICK'.
What sort of provocation do you think this is?
[COMMENT: Now WHO made the PROVOCATION - Per, perhaps, or "Question Mark"
Scott-Murray?]
Your air of the 'cool' ML authority is not convincing.Yourself - be
warned.
Hari
[COMMENT: And all Marxists and other sincere Leftists: BEWARE OF this
person,
citizen Hari Kumar, Canada.]
--- In internationalstrugglemarxistleninist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Per Rasmussen"
<pera@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
......................
12H) HARI KUMAR HEATS UP A BIT FURTHER
To: internationalstrugglemarxistleninist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "ISML " <hari.kumar@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:55:53 -0000 [or: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:55:53 GMT]
Subject: Reply to per: re his rep;y to Cmde sue
Per:
You write to Cmde Sue T.S:
"This is not a movie!
"I repeat bad movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are acting like a child having read to must [Added in 2008: Again,
probably
meaning: too much - RM] Jack London!"
HARI KUMAR:
I am only NOW reading each message with due care. Do you even realise what
you
say? How comradely is this tone?
[COMMENT: Very clearly, not half as "comradely" as the one of "Mark
Scott"!
Against citizen Kumar one must indeed warn people!]
You pretend to speak about being comradely... What is this junk? I
welcomed you
onto this list - I wonder now.
Watch your behaviour please.This is NOT ML-ist conduct.
[COMMENT: As if that of Kumar perhaps were such!]
I have no idea whihc organisation trained you - but perhaps you need to
re-read
the basic texts. And do nto fall back on your 'language'. You knwo what
you do
by now.
Hari Kumar
COMMENT: Here the really stupid BIG-BOURGEOIS-BROTHER STANCE which
everybody
quite rightly hates so much. People should indeed by now basically know
what to
do concerning persons like Hari Kumar. Trusting them would be completely
wrong.
12I) PER EXPLAINS TO "SUE" HE'S *NOT* DEFENDING ME - BUT SAYS SOME THINGS
I
LIKE TOO
To: <internationalstrugglemarxistleninist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
From: "Per Rasmussen" <pera@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:55:50 +0200 [or: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:55:50 GMT]
Subject: SV: get with the program, Per
Dear Sue!
Dear Friend and Comrade!
1. What Is To Be Done - The Professionalism in that book is about why and
how
to BUILD and educate people in a Party WHO AS PRO[F]ESSION make
revolution!
We cannot compare our "debate" with Rolf's posts and ours with that! And
not
Marks behaviour - and it can't be otherwise HERE on the Internet.
2. You Logic that ends up in that I think it is OK to break rules is also
FLIP!
Look at the "starting" post again, - and what have happened on PttP.
The ground for the Pttp list and MLMTT is mainly build on what the lists
is
FOR. There is no anarchism here. And they're no Democratic Centralism like
in a
Party. And I don't fear that it all break down - or go to hell because of
some
incorrect, bad, hostile, sad, ugly and hardcore right-wing mails on one of
my
lists...
[COMMENT: Good thinking, Per. Such things will not destroy otherwise sound
lists. They're nothing to be afraid of.]
The sabotage on Cuba SI stopped. Also on PttP, and the last one or two
have not
make people running away - but instead make their marks - Rolf out and now
in
again... That's all! And we can only see what is to come.
3. My response to Mark is NOT longer or harsher than any of my response to
Rolf! And YES Mark is worse here.
[COMMENT: I still hold Per's putting us on a par is very wrong. But this
version of his sounds a little better to me.]
The "case" is concrete smaller and Mark ends up talking about I and Rolf
as a
duo that must have all the enemy-labels ever made in our movement!
[COMMENT: I say too: No Per-Rolf duo.]
"What do you think of Anshan" is only the last subject that I think is
better
to debate/discuss/fight about than these.
And there is for me no jumping around or away with Anshan,Trotsky, Cuba,
and
Unity etc. For me it "linked" fine...
4. I am not defending Rolf here - you are reading me as the Devil read the
Bible.
[COMMENT: And nobody forces you to defend me either, Per. In united fronts
we
may still act together. And how about that "Long March" discussion we've
started, some time ago?]
I just said you and others could stop this by showing him that he is
WRONG!!!!!!! Or just go on as nothing had happened!
[COMMENT: Yes. This they could do, if they didn't have good reasons to be
very
nervous.]
5. And I don't want to make any sum up about the contradictions that made
me
"kick" Rolf out from Power to the People -
COMMENT: A bit of history now. I wrote about it in Info #122en. (Added in
2008:
See that Info #122en, "Conflict with Per R., Dk", of 23.06.2000, part 1/5
etc.)
12J) HARI - WITH "QUESTION MARK'S-IST" HELP - NOW THINKS HE *REALLY* HAS
BECOME
"BIG BROTHER"
To: internationalstrugglemarxistleninist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "ISML " <hari.kumar@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:16:15 -0000 [or: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:16:15 GMT]
Subject: REPLY TO PER:
Per:
You have the audacity or the naiviete (I am not sure which to be honest)
to
write this:
[COMMENT: WHAT - does Per have the AUDACITY to CONTRADICT "Big Brothers"
"Q-Mark"-Murray and Hari Kumar??]
"3. My response to Mark is NOT longer or harsher than any of my response
to
Rolf! And YES Mark is worse here. The "case" is concrete smaller and Mark
ends
up talking about I and Rolf as a duo that must have all the enemy-labels
ever
made in our movement!
"What do you think of Anshan" is only the last subject that I think is
better
to debate/discuss/fight about than these. And there is for me no jumping
around
or away with Anshan, Trotsky, Cuba, and Unity etc. For me it "linked"
fine...
4. I am not defending Rolf here - you are reading me as the Devil read the
Bible. I just said you and others could stop this by showing him that he
is
WRONG!!!!!!! Or just go on as nothing had happened!
5. And I don't want to make any sum up about the contradictions that made
me
"kick" Rolf out from Power to the People"
MY REPLY:
i) you equate cmde Mk's actions with those of Rolf, and even having been
challenged - you reiterate this charge. This is of course, untenable and
quite
ludicrous to any fair minded opinion!
[COMMENT: YES INDEED! To equate "Mark Scott's" actions with mine I DO
think
must be ludicrous to any fairminded persons too. Only, more the other way
around, so to speak.]
ii) You go further - you state that :Mark: Yes is worse here". This is
extraordinary.
[COMMENT: Not even Per's attempt at "neutralism" is enough for this really
ludicrous small-time "Big Bourgeois Brother".]
iii) You pretend that you are not "defending Rolf here". This seems
strange
given your positions thus far. Finally: You may not have read - our mails
crossed - my prior two notes addressed to you. Again - be warned, we have
been
charitable [yes, VERY much so, o Biggus Brotherus! - RM] thus far. But to
be
frank - you had better understand a little more carefully what you say.
Your
actions thus far have not been un-sectarian as you pretend to be. YOUR
CONDUCT
is what decides hereafter.
[COMMENT: Poor Per - "Placed on Probation"! That comes from your not
seeing
that Leftists must very clearly *distance themselves* from such people as
Hari
K. and his ilk.]
Hari Kumar - FOR THE MODERATORS
12K) "SUE" THANKS HARI - AND YES, THE MERRY MELEE MORE OR LESS *IS* OVER.
12K) "
To: internationalstrugglemarxistleninist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Sue T Simonson <progressivesociety@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:00:56 EDT [or: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:00:56 GMT]
Subject: whew!
[Added in 2008: And that "whew!" no doubt came directly from the heart too
-
that of ghostwriter Murray - this not least because for him, that day,
Friday
18 August 2008, had really been a very busy one. Between approximately
10:00
GMT (or 4 hours earlier, by Eastern Daylight Time, that is, 06:00 EDT)
and
24:00 GMT (or 20:00 EDT), he had written and sent, in the three different
guises of "Meia" and "Question Mark", no less than 8 rather long postings,
having had also to wait for and read the incoming postings from his
"Big-Brother" buddy, the Hoxhaite and (likewise) small-time reactionary
crook
Hari Kumar, and from his "deadly dangerous opponent", the not all that bad
"semi-Leftist" (I think today that he may be most fittingly characterized
as)
Per Rasmussen, of Præstø, Denmark - geographically, not very far from "my
place" - who ended up, unfortunately but not all that unexpectedly, by
kowtowing to what, obviously, he thought were "very strong, undoubtedly
superior" forces, such "of the majority". ]
Comrades
Well, it was a little like going through a storm, for me anyway.
[Added in 2008: Bravely and diligently had that small-time reactionary,
the
ex-teacher Thomas P. Murray, that day, with all of 8 postings, and with
every
little swindle attempt trick of which his brain was capable, defended the
love
of his life, the dictator****p of the US imperialist bourgeoisie and its
far-reaching domination in the world, against certain threats of public
exposure of a couple of its secrets. No wonder that he thought of it as a
"storm".]
Is it over?
Thank you, Hari, for your responses, and I doubt that anyone felt that you
were
neglecting the list.
When I first respnded to RM, I was not too sure what to expect, and I was
going
to resign if I did not receive any sup****t, which had happened on another
list.
Look at the lesson learned - we must treat each other with respect and we
need
good rules. I was reading a speech by Lenin at a congress of the party,
and he
demanded that people treat each other courteously. Many years ago, we went
at
each other with hostility and the results are obvious.
So, in a very short period of time, I got to know several comrades fairly
well.
Not bad.
Where do we go from here? What's next? Until tomorrow, In Unity and in
Struggle,
Sue
[End of this message]
WHAT'S NEXT IN THIS INFO POSTING ARE THE APPENDICES
After the above postings, the melee more or less quieted down. But some
lessons
should indeed be learned from it.
This finishes my reply to you, Jim Hillier.
Rolf M.
Here follow Appendix A, a recent international joint statement in sup****t
of
the DR Congo, and Appendix B, a passage from my Info #37en showing how I
*****sed your role, Jim H., in some matters concerning the "LeninList" in
1997.
I think you did very wrong, and perhaps you yourself today would not agree
with
all of your actions then?
APPENDIX A:
INTERNATIONAL JOINT STATEMENT IN SUP****T OF DR CONGO [17.08.2000]
The following is being sent today, 17 August 2000, to a number of media,
newsgroups, mailing lists and other recipients:
SUP****T THE JUST STRUGGLE OF THE DR CONGO!
Since August 1998, the Democratic Republic of Congo is being subjected to
a
largescale neo-colonialist aggression. The neighbouring states Rwanda,
Uganda
and Burundi are invading the country, occupying one-half of its territory
and
refusing to withdraw their troops as was agreed on in a so-called accord
one
year ago. They are acting as proxies of the imperialist, so-called rich
states
whose governments want to subjugate and exploit the DR Congo anew. The
people
in that country are suffering enormous deprivations because of this
aggression,
which has so far caused the death of over 1.7 million people. They are
continuing to resist the invasion, by armed force and other means,
solidarically sup****ted in this by the likewise relatively poor countries
Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia, which are also targets of imperialist
machinations of similar kinds.
We, the undersigned, are calling on the people in all countries to sup****t
the
just struggle of the Congolese people. We demand that the governments in
our
respective countries cease all sup****t of the aggression against the DR
Congo!
We demand that they instead oppose it, as they are required to do by the
UN
Charter and by the most elementary principles of justice and civilization!
The
mass media must cease hiding the facts about this barbaric invasion.
Economic,
humanitarian and military aid must be given to the DR Congo.
Per Rasmussen
Skolevej 22B
Præstø
Denmark
Rolf Martens
Nobelvägen 38
SE - 214 33 Malmö
Sweden
Alexander Moumbaris, France
Editions Démocrite, France
Martha Rose Crow
1210-34th Avenue North
Saint Cloud, MN 56303-1531
USA
320-252-4190
Ole Fjord Larsen
Box 36
6701 Esbjerg
Denmark
Alan Dover, NZ
Maria Dimitriadou, Athens-Greece
Agazilos Women's Group, Greece
Charles F. Moreira (Malaysia)
Sven Tarp
International Secretary
Communist Party of Denmark M-L
Sanjay Singhvi, India
Einar Schlereth, Sweden
Added later the same day:
Helena Brykarz, USA
* * *
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
APPENDIX B:
From 'UNITE! Info #37en: To Jay M. on RIM & "LeninList"', part 6/6,
29.06.1997:
..............
(which I want to show as a *bad* example on the running of a mailing list
actually for Marxism):
[QUOTE:]
17. LIFE ON SIBERIASWAMP ("LENINLIST") (AS SHOWN TO US ON THE OUTSIDE
WHO'RE
SOMETIMES ALLOWED TO PEEP IN)
Now this may sound a little odd perhaps, Jay, for me, as an outsider, even
one
banned(?) by you and your co-moderators from entering that domain, to try
to
describe to you what political life is like on that mailing list, which
you're
actually participating in running.
But, besides the purpose of showing it to other readers, I also have that
of
perhaps making you look at this "life" from some aspects and angles that
you
may so far have missed.
Believe me, I've been in some nasty swamp prisons without knowing ****
about
their being just that, back in the early 70s. Another time perhaps I shall
write about what really took place in connection with that "KPML(r)" that
your
or at least Adolfo's illustrious comrade R--k-Ola ranted about in the
posting I
just quoted - it was actually called "KFML(r)" at that time, in 1973-74,
and I
still have copies left of my 1974 pamphlet on its phony "pro-Mao",
actually
social-imperialist-muppet character.
People will have to make their own experiences, and I know that I in no
way can
offer you a nearly as effective "outside help" (if you'd want it) as I on
my
part got back in 1974, from some comrades in exile from Germany at that
time -
without which who knows when I'd ever have gotten any approximately
correct
political bearings. (Cf above too, on the NE.) But anyway, I hope that
this
whole posting including also the below "look from the outside" at that
mailing-list thing you at present are involved in may help you see one or
two
things clearer.
THE GLOWING BUT CONTRADICTORY PROPAGANDA OF ADOLFO
First, in order to contrast it to the facts, I shall quote some things
that
Adolfo Olaechea, one of the SiberiaSwamp moderators and probably one of
its
initiators too, wrote to M-G in late March on how things would be on that
Swamp.
[Added in 2008: Concerning the earlier existing M-G ("Marxism-General")
mailing
list, see Info#065 en, "The panicky closing of M-G", of 23.05.1998, part
1/9
etc.]
I've already written much here about Adolfo and his probably not
unim****tant
role in the creation of the "LeninList". But it should be noted that, as
several things show, it's by no means Adolfo who's actually functioning as
Swamp Kommandant.
That role from the beginning has been filled by the pro-social-imperialism
propagandist - whom Adolfo on his part has certified as a "Marxist"[!] too
-
Jim Hillier (whom I don't know and cannot make any more detailed
*****sment of
either but whose writings I've seen some of and found to be quite
reactionary).
Adolfo, apparently, is just Vice Kommandant. And some of you others, Jay,
I
guess are essentially inmates who've been given some flattering posts of
confidence; of course you're free to leave or enter the Swamp at any time
but
it seems quite possible that you've all been asked to make some promises
of
silence to outsiders about Swamp affairs. Well, people will notice their
stench
anyway. Here's what Adolfo i.a. wrote on M-G:
[In reply to me on 29.03.(1997):]
"It seems to me that you fail to grasp the nature of LeninList.I said that
we -
following BASIC communist principles - had rebelled against the swamp and
that
we intended to move away from it."
Really quite Hillarious, in view of the pronounced *swamp* character of
the
Adolfo-Jim alliance here. Is it "basic communist principles", for
instance, to
advertise today, in 1997, a "Marx" or "Lenin" list by a picture that
includes
those two but leaves Mao Zedong out? In the call for the WMC, Adolfo and
others
at least still pointed out that Marxism, Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought
(or
Maoism) today constitute a unity, but now he accepts a revisionist signal
to
break it up as the very "flag" of this mailing list.
And in the same posting he also wrote:
"LeninList is a MARXISM RE-AFFIRMATION List. In has the nature of a United
Front to defend the basic principles of Marxism and advance its members in
the
understanding of the proletarian ideology......"
A united front - yes, that's a correct description. But that's something
quite
different from, and opposed to, "moving away from" the swamp. In (good)
united
fronts, Marxists unite with of course vacillating, bourgeois, i.e.
precisely
swamp-type, forces. A united front the "LeninList" is - a front in which
"RIM"
and 4-gang adherents have combined with adherents of Khrushchov and Deng
to
*keep Mao's line out*.
[Added in 2008: On the "RIM", see above all my article of 12.08.1994,
posted
to the Internet on 01.01.1996 in Info #003en, "Why does the RIM Help U.S.
Imperialism Encircle the PCP?", and also for instance Info #008en, "The
sinking
of the 'RIMitz'", of 25.04.1996, part 1/5 etc.]
And further:
"Under the present level of development of this unity, LeninList is not a
Maoist list. However it is not an anti-Maoist list either. It will not
allow
anti-Mao, anti Stalin, anti-Lenin, anti-Engels, Anti Marx propaganda or
any
other counter-revolutionary rubbish even that presented as
"super-rrrrrrevolutionary".
In view of those facts I've already recounted, not least the flagrant one
of
the "special rules" against and the banning of me, Adolfo's saying that
the
SiberiaSwamp is "not" an anti-Mao list. That's precisely what it is.
Adolfo
tries to "excuse" that actual character by talking about "a present level
of
development" at which it's not ("yet") a Mao list. Pure bull**** of
course,
since he's combining with revisionists, even people of the type of
R--k-Ola,
*against* Mao Zedong's line, against me who am representing precisely
that.
The list "will not allow" anti-Mao propaganda? That would firstly be
stupid and
reactionary, if it were true, for of course every ideology needs to be
tested
in struggle and such an idiotic rule would just kill a number of most
necessary
discussions - the genuine advocates of Mao Zedong's correct line need to
fear
no criticism of it, and suppose some weaknesses in it actually were found?
Then
this would only contribute towards a sharpening of the ideological weapon
of
the proletariat. Secondly, what Adolfo says here of course is the most
blatant
lie - the first thing you'll see on the homepage of SiberiaSwamp, if you
check
that out, is precisely a picture with, in the conditions of 1997, flagrant
anti-Mao propaganda.
ACTUAL LIFE ON THE SWAMP
Now if you have a mailing list which has been created jointly by some
people
who - supposedly - realize the correctness of Mao Zedong's line, that is,
among
the moderators in this case, Adolfo, yourself, Jay, and Jacques, and some
who -
perhaps by their ignorance - are making propaganda precisely for that
social-imperialist state which Mao Zedong rightly said was a bourgeois
dictator****p of the Hitler-fascist type, wouldn't the first and foremost
burning matter for discussion on that list be, precisely that criticism of
Mao
Zedong's against revisionism and social-imperialism, whether it perhaps
was
correct or not? And a lot of other burning questions would present
themselves,
having to do with the irreconcilable conflict between Marxism and
revisionism
in the world.
Has anything like that taken place on the "LeninList"?
Not at all, as far as I've been able to see in its archives, which so far
have
covered (last time I looked) only the months March and April.
Let's take a look, first of all, at the very first posting one finds in
those
archives. It's numbered Ll03001 and has the date 20.03. What's happening
here?
Why, it's Swamp Kommandant Jim Hillier, everybody can see, who's holding a
sort
of morning roll-call of the inmates, telling each of them what subjects
they
should suitably write on.
First of all he says:
"The LeninList is a few days old now, and has yet to get started, My view
is
close to that expressed by comrade Richard Bos: we need to establish a
minimum
level of traffic if this list is to survive and develop into what we want
it
to."
He needs traffic for traffic's own sake! "Never mind what about, just
write -
or, let me give you some ideas."
The *artificial* character of this Swamp strikes the eye. If there had
been a
genuine - positive - need for it, nobody would have felt compelled to say
such
a thing as Jim H. here. But the thing is, this list was created for
splitting.
And, as I already wrote, wouldn't there be good reasons for you, Adolfo
and
Jacques to start out by criticizing Jim's and Mark's so obviously
erroneous
views, their revisionism? [Added in 2008: The Mark referred to here of
course
was not that later appearing "cyber ghost", "the ex-military man"
"Question
Mark" ("Scott"), who - as far as I know - was not "born", created by
Thomas P.
Murray, until 16.08.2000, the day of "his" first appearance on the ISML
mailing
list - see above - but another and (probably) actually existing person.]
Nothing of the sort actually takes place, one can see. Instead, Jim, in
this
posting of his clearly acting as a kind of boss, suggests chores for each
of
you others:
"Adolfo, give us updates and analyses on Peru. Jay, tell us what is
happening
in the belly of the North American beast. Jean, give us a real
marxist-leninist
analysis of the national question in the state of Canada. [He probably
means
Jacques?] Alan and Bruce: give us the antipodean marxist-leninists view on
developments down your way. Ola - gives us the low down on Sweden."
[Well, what d'you know - that "comrade" R--k-Ola, the really extreme
pro-social-imperialist, was in from the very beginning! Compare this to
the
fact that I, who consistently have advocated the line of Marx, Lenin and
Mao
Zedong, was subjected to "special ruling" and banned, respectively treated
as
if my application to join didn't exist! - On Sweden, or on anything at
all, you
cannot get much lower down either, of course, than to that level at which
Ola
Eriksson writes in the quote above. (Added in 2008: That quote was/is not
included in this Info, but you can find it in Info #037en, part 5/6.)]
"Everyone: lets get this list up and going and developing into the kind of
vibrant discussion list we know it can be.
Richard and Tim: give us another side of the coin as far as the
marxist-leninist movement in Britain.
For Communism
Jim
CAG"
Of course, in addition to such telling "roll-calls", there do show up a
few
actually interesting items too in the archives of that mailing list, such
as a
couple of things from you on the China Study Group, New York, and some
forwarded postings from representatives of the Communist Party of the
Philippines. But these are not what characterizes that list the most.
Obviously, there reigns such a regime of (btw, typically Soviet
revisionist)
terror and secretiveness that Louis What's-Go(o)denaough-for-the-Afghans,
who
posts to the list, at one point feels compelled to ask (in posting No.
Ll03013,
on 21.03):
"I was wondering if it would be permissable for me to forward Adolfo's
reply to
Yo****e and Gay Harley to marxism-international?"
Why on earth might such a thing be "confidential"? On other lists, on M-G
for
instance, nobody would have dreamed of asking such a thing.
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