Benjamin Fulford On
Jeff Rense: Hours 1, 2 & 3
Transcript
7-11-7
-HOUR ONE-
RENSE: I think we're up and running here. A little rocky, the day
after the fourth of July, but I think we're connected to Japan.
This is going to be interesting. An awful lot of email has been coming
in about the story from Dr. Henry Makow, Ph.D., called "Chinese Secret
Society Challenges Illuminati." This is a very interesting story,
something the likes of which I have not seen in all the years of doing
this program or website.
The author is Benjamin Fulford - the author quoted in the story. He is
a North American, Canadian to be specific, expatriate living in Japan
now. Let's just bring him on and say hello, see how he's doing and
check this connection out. Are you there, Ben?
FULFORD: Yeah, I'm here.
RENSE: OK, we've got a little bit of delay.
FULFORD: It's a cell phone, so the reception is not so good.
RENSE: Well, you sound all right. There's a bit of a delay, so we'll
have to deal with that.
A lot of people have been asking me, could this be real? Is this a
hoax? Is this a joke? What is it? We're going to find out much more
about this story, so stay with us tonight as we continue this
conversation with Benjamin Fulford.
He is the former Asia-Pacific bureau chief for Forbes Magazine, and he
quit in disgust when Forbes refused to run a damaging story about one
of its advertisers. Boy, I know that game, and many of us in the media
do - [those] who try to tell as close to the truth as we can without
losing our jobs. In this case, Ben did eventually lose his job,
because Forbes wouldn't back him. It's a story I've heard before.
He speaks as a very principled man - a re****ter, journalist in the
best tradition. Let's find out from Ben exactly what happened.
First of all, Ben, when were you named Asian bureau chief for Forbes,
and what was your background before that, if you would?
FULFORD: Okay. I've been a journalist in Japan for about 20 years. I
was bureau chief for Forbes from 1998 to 2004-2005.
RENSE: That's a good long stretch.
FULFORD: Then I left for a lot of different complications.
RENSE: Your relation****p with Forbes, up until the time you decided to
part ways with them, was how? You were there with them for almost
eight years, I guess.
FULFORD: It started out as a rather cushy job. They let me investigate
a lot of stuff about Japanese organized crime and the seedier side of
things in Japan. However, at a certain point I seemed to be getting
too close to something they didn't want me to get to, and they started
stopping stories.
There was a corruption story about GE that didn't make it. Another one
about Citibank didn't make it.
Then when I finally found out there was an anti-virus software company
who was actually making viruses, that was it.
RENSE: [Laughs] Yeah.
FULFORD: That was the last straw for me.
RENSE: They do that, I've heard. Why not? Once in a while you hear
about firemen actually starting fires. I don't know, it's bizarre.
That's what software companies that are in the anti-virus protection
business are accused of doing from time to time - if not directly,
then indirectly. It wouldn't surprise me.
When did you learn to speak Japanese?
FULFORD: Well, I went to university in Japan. I came here when I was
19, and I've been here more than 20 years, so I just got it early on.
RENSE: Did it come easy to you?
FULFORD: Well, it's a very difficult language. Not grammatically, but
because you have to grasp a whole new way of thinking. You have to
understand that Asian culture and Western culture parted ways about
40,000 years ago.
RENSE: [Laughs]
FULFORD: That means there's 40,000 years of folk wisdom that you have
to catch up with to really understand what's going on, and that's
very, very difficult.
RENSE: You mean four thousand, instead of forty thousand. There was
nobody around back then, supposedly.
FULFORD: What I mean is genetic tests show that's when we separated -
Orientals and Caucasians.
RENSE: I got it. Okay. Now with respect to the Asian mind, Western
minds - the American mind in particular, we'll just keep it to North
America and Canada - are not basically understood.
I predicate that statement on not having been there, not having any
experience, but having talked to the former TIME bureau chief for
Beijing on the [Rense] program some years ago. He said, when I asked
him what the Asian mind thought about American Western diplomacy, in
China specifically, he laughed. He said they consider Americans to be
but children in a sandbox. That's the gulf we're talking about here.
Now would that remark ring true to you in any way?
FULFORD: Yes, in part. Another way they look at Western society is as
a slave society.
RENSE: Slave society?
FULFORD: A slave society.
RENSE: Well, indeed it is. Go ahead.
FULFORD: Controlled in secret by a group of, well, Huckleberry Finn
slave drivers.
RENSE: Well, we call them Illuminati, we call them Bilderbergers, CFR,
Trilateral Commission. We can throw in Skull and Bones, the Club of
Rome, the Fabian Society - all sorts of secret cartels, cabals and
groups.
But at the top, it's a fairly singular power source, and it is
certainly one of slave-owner to slaves. The encumbering of the slaves
is becoming ever more adroit. With each passing month, it seems, the
technology and politics are changing so quickly over here.
The view from Japan of North America. Let's talk about the United
States. How is it for you, an expatriate from Canada?
FULFORD: Living in Japan, you mean?
RENSE: Yeah. What's it look like over there? What we're doing over
here. And I mean 'we' with President Bush, Vice President Cheney, of
course enjoying the lowest ratings, probably, in Presidential and Vice
Presidential history. The American polls show the respect for the US
Congress virtually around 14-15 percent in terms of job satisfaction.
So tell me more.
FULFORD: It looks like maybe Russia did just before the Iron Curtain
fell. It looks like a huge sea change is about to happen. Like the
biggest thing since the Declaration of Independence, I think.
RENSE: Well yes, almost the antithesis of [the Declaration of
Independence]. I can see how that would be a view from over there, and
it's probably far more loaded with merit than we would like to agree.
Things are happening over here, as I think you well know, at a very
rapid pace now. The controllers are literally pu****ng things in the
American public's face that are so unconstitutional and illegal as to
be laughable, if they weren't so tragic.
FULFORD: I think these people are scared. They are trying to carry out
a plan. They are desperate now. Their plan is so horrendous and so
bizarre, it provokes a split - even within their own ranks.
RENSE: I've heard talk of factions. You mentioned the words "they are
desperate," the key word being 'desperate.' There are others who have
said the same kind of thing - [the controllers] sense there is a
window through which they must move, now, if they are ever going to
move. Do you agree with that?
FULFORD: Yes. Let me tell you something. I was offered the job of
finance minister in Japan by the Freemasons. Okay?
RENSE: When?
FULFORD: I brought [my case against] David Rockefeller. I actually was
able to link him to some murders of bankers and other people in Japan,
as a part of his effort to take over the Japanese financial system.
When I confronted the former Japanese finance minister, Heizo Taka****a
(ph) with this, he sent a ninja, believe it or not - a real live ninja
- who offered me a gold Freemason badge. He told me I could either
accept a job of great power or be killed.
At first I thought I had no choice, I had to go along, which is what
happens to a lot of people when they get pulled into this. But then
the Chinese secret society showed up and offered me protection. So
that's why I can talk about this.
I want to tell you. I got right inside, right at the very top. Anybody
up to a 33rd degree Freemason is a chump. They think they're doing
good for humankind and they're doing God's work. There are 13 degrees
above the 33rd degree.
RENSE: So I've heard.
FULFORD: The first thing they learn is that there is no God. We are
God. This is what they are taught. And they are, believe it or not,
the descendants of Babylonian pirates. This goes back almost 6000
years. It's ancient Babylonian slave-driver technology.
They use a combination of bribes, murder, ostracism, mind control,
whatever. They have a huge arsenal. They think very, very long term.
The story I've figured out now is that when they started with the
Zionism, they had this plan to make a capital in Jerusalem. A lot of
the religious Jews thought of this as blasphemy, but they actually did
it.
[Bumper music begins]
And then there was a convergence. There was a really radical faction
that had this plan to eliminate Christianity. Now this is going to
sound so horrendous, believe me...
RENSE: Hold on right there, Ben. Let me ask you to pause. We'll take a
break, and come back to that thought. Eliminating Christianity. Very
interesting.
Lots already on the table here. My guest is Benjamin Fulford, the
former Asia-Pacific bureau chief for Forbes magazine, who has just a
stunningly provocative piece up on the site written by Dr. Henry
Makow, Ph.D., who interviewed Ben at great length. You'll see it up
there on Featured Stories, on the left hand side of my home page.
So by all means, take a look. Right under that, a story written by
Benjamin Fulford - the Secret History of the Freemasons in Japan - as
well. Be back in a minute.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay, back with Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo. He, by the
way, has published 15 books written in Japanese, with cumulative sales
running at over half a million copies. He's got his own weekly two-
hour television program over there, appears frequently on numerous
other nationally broadcast programs in Japan, and has regular columns
in a variety of best-selling Japanese magazines.
My guest, Benjamin Fulford. Lucky to connect with him. At showtime we
couldn't get through to his land line, which I had a hunch might be
the case. These controversial subjects, one never knows who might be
playing phone games. We have him on the line right now.
Go ahead and tell us, then, what this story about aboli****ng
Christianity is about. Is that about the one world, New World Order
religion?
FULFORD: Yes. What I first got wind of was a plan to kill Asians -
reduce the population of Asians. They told me, once I was invited in,
that they had a plan to reduce the population of Asians.
RENSE: Okay, excuse me, Ben, but when you say "They invited you in,"
who is 'They' and what were you 'in'?
FULFORD: What happened was I interviewed Heizo Taka****a (ph), the
former Japanese finance minister.
RENSE: What year was this, approximately?
FULFORD: This year, in fact. I hit a tender spot. I confronted him
with having sold the Japanese financial system over to the
Rockefellers. Then he sent the ninja, who offered me to join the
Freemasons. They offered me the job as finance minister.
RENSE: If I might interject here, please explain what it is. Most
Americans and most listening in Canada, or wherever they're listening
from around the world, won't understand why or how the Rockefellers
are so heavily entrenched and powerful in Japan. In point of fact, the
Rockefellers, I guess, own much of Japan, and have since World War
Two. So tell us a little bit about that background, if you would.
FULFORD: The Rockefellers, you have to understand their real
influence. Everybody outside of America seems to know how powerful
they are, but they try to hide this fact from their own people. You
have to go back to the very first Rockefeller. You have to go back to
1918. This is what Forbes magazine figured out...
RENSE: John Rockefeller?
FULFORD: Yeah. He was worth about 250 billion in today's money. And
the ten richest people controlled about 70 percent of the money
supply. This was before they took over the financial system - the
Fed.
What they've done is hidden it all through a series of charitable
foundations. There's over two hundred, three hundred foundations. They
use this to finance universities, to finance research. So they control
through money, and they hide it through these foundations.
If you do a check, you will see David Rockefeller is only worth three
billion or so. That's because the rest of it is hidden in these
charitable foundations, which they own and control.
RENSE: Okay, name a few of them. Just give us a few.
FULFORD: Well, the Rockefeller foundation, for one. There's a whole
bunch. Just look under Google with Rockefeller and Foundation, and
you'll see so many. They're always considered the secret rulers of the
United States, and much of the world.
They are the hidden patriarchs of this secret government.
RENSE: Okay. How did the Rockefellers, on the planet, stand up to the
Rothschilds?
FULFORD: There is an alliance and a split as well. The Rothschilds
originally set the Rockefellers up. They helped them monopolize oil.
What happened was the Rockefellers got very strong, and became the
more dominant partners in the whole enterprise.
Europe is still basically controlled by the Rothschilds. The head of
the Rothschild side of the clan is Phillip Rothschild, in London.
There is another group that controls France, Belgium and Holland,
which is the Grand Lodge of the Orient in France, and is another
branch of the Rothschilds.
There was a German branch of the Rothschilds. They have laid low since
Hitler was purged.
You have to think of it as royalty. Royal families interbred with old
financial families. They interbreed with each other and they keep
control that way. The Freemasons are one of the secret societies they
use to control European and North American society.
RENSE: Who uses the Freemasons? The Rothschilds or the Rockefellers,
or both?
FULFORD: They both do. They also control Mossad and the CIA, as far as
I can tell. Most of the people in the CIA think they're working for
the United States of America. The reality is they are working for
robber barons.
So that's how people look at the United States. They look at it as an
enclave controlled by the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers.
RENSE: How did that extend to Japan? By virtue of the victory in World
War II?
FULFORD: Yes. It keeps being a Rothschild sphere of influence and
became a Rockefeller sphere of influence. You have to understand the
Japanese were pretty independent before World War II, but they had
close associations with the Rothschilds, who originally financed their
modernization.
RENSE: They also pushed the Japanese to engage in the Russo-Japanese
war, did they not?
FULFORD: Yes. Absolutely. They armed them for it, and they helped
them, and it was a very successful venture. The Japanese had a deep
gratitude as a result.
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To this day, they have very friendly feelings.
RENSE: All right. Let's pause on that, and we'll come back and find
out about the eradication of Christianity on the planet, and the
Masonic influence, being of course employed at the behest of the
Rockefellers and / or the Rothschilds. So we'll explore that.
My guest is Benjamin Fulford, who has a dynamite article up there,
courtesy of the superb, I call him brilliant writer, Henry Makow,
Ph.D., who did a lot of research on this and interviewed Ben at great
length. We're very honored to have it. You'll see it up there in
Featured Stories. "Chinese Secret Society Challenges Illuminati."
Be right back with Ben Fulford in just a minute.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay, back with Benjamin Fulford. Read the article by Dr. Henry
Makow, Ph.D., "Chinese Secret Society Challenges Illuminati," and then
read the article by Ben Fulford right under that, in the Featured
Story box at <http://rense.com/>Rense.com.
Click on Ben's name, go to
his own website in English. It's his own website, in Japanese, of
course, but he's got one for all of us folks as well.
Okay, the plan to eliminate Christianity. Now you mentioned how the
Rothschilds and the Zionists set up their Jerusalem and their Middle
East.
FULFORD: What they did was they tried to make the Bible prophecy come
true, without the intervention of God. In other words, they did it. It
wasn't any Divine intervention.
So they are God. They believe themselves to be as powerful as God.
[They believe] there is no God; they are the equivalent [of God] on
Earth. They are the descendants of Babylonian tyrants.
So one thing I've been hearing, and this was disturbing - when I was
invited to join - was that they did plan to reduce the world's
population by seven billion people.
RENSE: This goes back to Global 2000. One more word about this
severely atheistic organization, which is using organized religion to
hide behind, as they always have. It's not a big surprise. And of
course, that leads to all kinds of difficulties, shall we say. But
it's an interesting thing to know.
Okay. You were invited to join the organization. A Rockefeller ninja
was sent to make you an offer you could not refuse. But you decided
not to accept.
FULFORD: Yes.
RENSE: How did you decide not to accept? We have plenty of time. So
you get the offer, and what happened?
FULFORD: The next day I get contacted by a gentleman who says he
represents a Chinese secret society.
RENSE: The very next day.
FULFORD: The very next day.
RENSE: And how did that person know to contact you the very next day?
How did you determine later on that he or she might have known that?
FULFORD: I don't know. They keep their secrets quite well. I assume
they have a mole very high up in the organization. You have to
understand that the Chinese secret society also has deep roots in
Japan. Maybe I should give you a brief history of these people.
I recognized them from the history books. So when they approached me,
I already had some knowledge about them.
RENSE: May I ask another question? How did they approach you? Did they
call you and say, "Ben, we'd like to talk to you," or did they just
come knocking at your door? What happened?
FULFORD: I got a phone call from a gentleman who said he'd like to
meet me and talk about something im****tant.
RENSE: Was he speaking English or Japanese?
FULFORD: Japanese.
RENSE: All right. So let's go back and do a little history on this
organization now.
FULFORD: Okay. The Ming dynasty was the high point in Chinese history.
This was when their civilization reached a peak. They were invaded by
some very uncouth barbarians known as the Manchus. When this happened,
the Ming army - they were betrayed by a border general - became an
underground organization, a secret society.
So there are two branches. The old Ming army and the old Ming navy.
These are their descendants.
They wanted to over throw the Qing [formed by the Manchus] and restore
the Ming. Their first big attempt was what we know of as the Boxer
Rebellion. Then later they got huge help from the Japanese royal
family, from the Meiji.
RENSE: That's M-E-I-J-I, correct?
FULFORD: Yeah. These are the people who modernized Japan. So we're
talking about the beginning of the 1900s.
RENSE: So the Meiji family modernized Japan at the beginning of the
1900s. All right.
FULFORD: Yeah. It was a bunch of Freemasons set up by the
Rothschilds.
RENSE: That's how the Rothschilds first got involved with Japan and
China. I understand.
FULFORD: Right. Unknown to the Rothschilds - or maybe they knew at the
time, I don't know - the Japanese helped this Chinese secret society
overthrow the Ming dynasty. They also got help from Chinatowns all
over the world, which is where they have their bases. This is how Sun
Yat-Sen overthrew the last emperor.
RENSE: So you're saying, in a way, Sun Yat-Sen was a tool of the
Masons, who were a tool of the Rothschilds.
FULFORD: Well, in appearances it is like that. The Asians don't
particularly want to be ruled by white people, so it doesn't really
work in fact all around. They'll take their money, but they're not
going to do everything they're told.
RENSE: That was the political mechanism, in so many words. That's how
Sun Yat-Sen assumed power. Okay.
FULFORD: He was later ousted. As you know, the Japanese invaded China,
and they were trying to take it over. It was a huge battle over the
future of the planet, which evolved into World War II. They were
fighting a proxy war in China for over a decade before World War II
started.
RENSE: Very few Americans understand that.
FULFORD: The secret society ended up fighting the communist Chinese,
being defeated and going underground.
RENSE: So they were a part of Chiang Kai-Shek's apparatus. They were
sup****ting him, allies?
FULFORD: Well, they were allied with him, as I said, but not part of
his apparatus.
RENSE: Okay, so they were fighting with him, sup****ting him, and he
lost. Okay. Mao Zedong?
FULFORD: ...was financed by the Soviet Union, by the Rothschilds on
that side of the equation. Then they kicked out the connection in the
1960s, and China became independent from Rothschild and Freemason
control.
RENSE: Was that a big shock to the Rothschilds at the time, or did
they see it coming?
FULFORD: No! It was a big shock. There was all this talk about "who
lost China?" This was a major blow for them. But they never really
controlled China. Like I said, the Chinese were on to them, and onto
their game. They weren't going to be fooled.
RENSE: How did the British East India Company and the opium wars play
into this in the 18th and 19th centuries?
FULFORD: The story there is the British - while everyone else was
buying lots of tea and had nothing to pay for it with - invaded China,
unfortunately to buy opium, so they could have their tea. That was a
war of invasion. But they couldn't control China. It was just too big
for them to manage. So instead they just threatened them and kept them
as a vassal state, in that sense.
RENSE: They had enough trouble with the United States before, and it
was known as the colonies, but yes - trying to control China, I can
see, would be virtually [impossible].
FULFORD: It's worth noting that the Skull and Bones were opium and
slave traders. So they were deeply involved in all this.
RENSE: A lot of Zionists were in the slave trade too. A tremendous
Zionist / Jewish participation in that filthy business.
FULFORD: Sure. There is still trading going on to this day.
RENSE: Well, that's called white slavery. I don't know how many tens
of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of women and children are
sold into slavery through various conduits that often run into Israel
every year.
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FULFORD: Sure.
RENSE: All right, Benjamin, we'll come right back in our conversation
with Benjamin Fulford. Do visit his website, and do visit <http://
rense.com/>Rense.com. Look for his article about the Freemasons and
their history as well. It's in the fifth featured story down - "The
Secret History of the Freemasons in Japan." Be right back.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. Back with Benjamin Fulford. We're going to pursue the
issue of Christianity and its future, or lack thereof, in a few
minutes. We're doing a little background now on the Chinese secret
society, which actually came to the rescue, as it were. Ben would
either be filthy rich now, or dead.
FULFORD: [Laughs]
RENSE: [Laughs] Go ahead.
FULFORD: Just to divert a bit, it is what is known in folklore as
making a deal with the Devil, right? They offer you, I would have been
finance minister and I would have earned billions of dollars - looting
the Japanese to finance genocide.
RENSE: Which goes back to our earlier comment about reducing the world
population, which we're going to get to. We have a lot of time
tonight. That, of course, goes back to the actual printed projection
of reducing the world population called Global 2000, by 75 or 80
percent. But we'll get back to that in a few minutes. Go ahead.
FULFORD: When I left the Chinese, at first I didn't know what to make
of it.
RENSE: How was your meeting with them, Ben? Did they come to your
place and sit down and talk to you?
FULFORD: No, no. In a hotel room.
RENSE: Was it one person or two?
FULFORD: Two people.
RENSE: Male or female?
FULFORD: Male.
RENSE: Dressed?
FULFORD: Dressed in pretty ordinary, not very expensive-looking
clothing.
RENSE: Okay. They sat you down. You had never heard about this secret
society before, correct?
FULFORD: Oh, I had, I had!
RENSE: But not in terms of it being active to the extent that it might
pop up in your life. You'd heard about it in the past.
FULFORD: I've studied Chinese history. I read about them in the
history books as the Green and the Red Gang, who fought the communists
in Shanghai, in 1949.
RENSE: That was my point. Go ahead, please.
FULFORD: For me it was like a ghost from the history books appearing
in front of me. They told me they had a member****p worldwide of six
million, including 1.8 million gangsters - all the Asian gangsters in
the world - and 100,000 professional assassins.
Now, I wasn't sure whether or not to believe these people. I later
flew to Taiwan and met the heads. We were surrounded by hundreds and
hundreds of men in black suits who looked like gangsters. I was
getting some martial arts displays.
I believe they are not lying when they say they have six million
members, and a lot of them are gangsters.
RENSE: Now are they headquartered in Taiwan, or did they just pick
that as a meeting place for you?
FULFORD: No. They are headquartered in Taiwan. It's a very secret
organization. They don't really have a building where they say, "This
is our headquarters."
RENSE: They've been there since Chiang Kai-Shek fled there in 1949, I
guess, and before that.
FULFORD: They've infiltrated the Chinese government right up to the
politburo level. They are all over China and all over the world. The
Japanese Yakuza gangs are also a part of this. Many of them.
RENSE: The Yakuza?
FULFORD: Yes. Yakuza gangsters. There's about 150 thousand of them
throughout Japan.
RENSE: Let's talk for a moment about their projection of power in the
United States. There are a lot of Asians now, some Asian gangs.
Certainly there are Chinatowns around the US. In every big city there
is a Chinese community. Are they projecting power through those
various locations and venues?
FULFORD: Absolutely. They are everywhere. Remember that 2/3rds of the
members are scholars, not gangsters. These will be people working as
researchers, for example, in government laboratories, or as university
professors.
RENSE: Now we know, Ben, there are lots of Chinese over here in the
United States. At the university level, certainly doing contract work
for very im****tant cor****ations. By the tens of thousands, they are
over here. Now is this People's Liberation Army, or is this a secret
society, or is it both?
FULFORD: These people are anti-Communist. You've got to get that
clear. They are not part of the People's Republic of China.
RENSE: So the PLA has spies all over the place here, but the secret
society is not part of that. They are completely opposed to it.
FULFORD: Yeah. They are a totally separate organization. But they do
have member****p, of course, in the Chinese secret police, et cetera.
It's a weird mix.
If they do have one loyalty, the rules I was told were to protect the
weak, fight against injustice, to help each other. There is nothing I
would find morally objectionable in what they told me were their
codes. It just reads like a book of morals.
RENSE: It sounds like good old-fa****oned values. That would work
here.
So you had this meeting in Taiwan. Where did that take place, and what
was the meeting like? Who were the people you met with? I don't expect
you to name them or show us pictures on the Internet, but what did
these people say?
FULFORD: Well, it was a meeting upstairs in a small Chinese
restaurant, in a small, nondescript room.
RENSE: Geez! It sounds like a Hollywood movie!
FULFORD: [Laughs] Yeah! And these guys looked like something out of a
Hollywood movie. Some of them were missing like four fingers. One guy
I met said he personally killed a hundred people. They were pretty
scary, funky people, let me tell you that. Some of them.
Some of them had two Ph.D.'s, and were very sophisticated and
charming.
RENSE: The core group you met with were numbered how many?
FULFORD: Well, there was a dozen, and then the real core... I don't
know how much I should be able to disclose, but, you know, I mean,
uh...
RENSE: Well, you don't have to go any further than you don't want to.
FULFORD: They explained to me - they understood the urgency, that
there was a genocide plan, and they were manufacturing diseases.
RENSE: When I said you don't have to go any further than you don't
want to, I imagine you don't have to go any further than you want to,
of course. I misspoke there. The gist of this, the crux of this thing
was their concern of an ethnic-specific bio-weapon, perhaps, or
something along those lines, that would eradicate much of the Asian
population base?
FULFORD: Yes. And SARS was artificially manufactured.
RENSE: SARS, of course, first popped up in Guangdong Province in
China, I believe, where the Chinese maintain, the People's Liberation
Army has one or two bio-weapons labs in Guangdong. Guangdong is also
where H5N1 seemingly originated. That's one of the most lethal strains
of it in the bird community worldwide.
So yeah, interesting. Go right ahead.
FULFORD: They don't like the idea of plans to wipe out... what the
Japanese freemason told me, the one connected to Rockefeller, was the
plan was to reduce Asia's population to 500 million. And Japan was
ordered to reduce their population to 75 million.
RENSE: Ordered by?
FULFORD: By the Rockefellers and the Freemasons, and these interbred
Illuminati. They tried to do it from birth control, which is ideal,
but if not, then through disease or war - whatever is necessary.
RENSE: Okay. You mentioned SARS, and it broke out. Interestingly
enough, I'm going to make a point here. I think it's very germane.
You're an ex-Canadian. Now SARS took a big toll of people in Canada -
healthcare workers in hospitals specifically. In one hospital I know
they lost a lot of people.
At one point in the SARS - we won't call it an epidemic, but in the
SARS outbreak here, they printed, in a major Canadian newspaper,
pictures of all the fatalities of SARS in Canada. And there were about
50 to 100, Ben.
I looked at those pictures and I said to myself, "Uh-oh. SARS comes
from China." I looked at these pictures, and all but 2 or 3 or 4 of
the people - and let's just say there were 50 - were Asians! They were
all Asians!
FULFORD: SARS affects people with only a certain genotype - and most
of these people are Asian.
RENSE: All right. That ties in with the picture I saw.
FULFORD: Look at the Project for a New American Century, page 60,
"Rebuilding America's Defenses." They are saying bio-weapons that can
target specific genotypes can be used for political tools.
RENSE: Well, they've had that capability for 20-25 years, at least.
They can target blue eyes, green eyes, blonde hair, brown hair,
height, weight. Certainly anything to do with race or genetics can be
programmed into bio-weapons. That's not a surprise.
The SARS thing was, in your opinion, what? Something introduced by the
West to let the Chinese know that they are going to get...
FULFORD: They were going to attempt to cull the Chinese population.
RENSE: So that was a full-blown attempt to massively infect China with
some kind of a pandemic that would wipe out a great deal of the people
there? That wasn't just an experiment or a calling card or a wake-up
call?
FULFORD: No. I believe it was a sincere attempt to kill them. And of
course, people don't like being killed, which is why this society re-
activated itself after being dormant for so many years. It's like an
emergency fire brigade. Normally people just go about their lives and
do their jobs - they don't do anything illegal. But if there is a
crisis, they all band together.
An interesting thing, as a digression. When Sun Yat-Sen took over, he
found the Imperial Treasure - a horde of treasure built up by the
Chinese emperors over the millennia. When the Communists took over,
some of this treasure was ****pped off to the National Palace Museum in
Taiwan, but some of it was hidden in a mountain in China.
The Communists tortured three thousand people to try to find out where
it was, and nobody spoke. This is their emergency war chest, which
they will dig up and spend if they feel...
RENSE: You mean the secret society.
FULFORD: Yes.
RENSE: Okay. So the Chinese communists could not find half of the
treasure. Half went to Taiwan, half remained on the mainland. This is
the secret society's bankroll?
FULFORD: Yes. It's their emergency fund for rainy days.
RENSE: It must be a pretty handsome fund for rainy days.
FULFORD: Yes. It's [worth] billions of dollars.
RENSE: Yeah, I would think. Stand by, if you would, Ben. We have to
take a break here and will be back momentarily. We'll come right back
and continue our wide-ranging conversation. It's quite focused,
really, when you look at the totality of it.
Again, SARS, when you look at Ben Fulford and his Chinese / Asian
contact, was an attack. He believes it was a full-blown attack to
unleash a bio-specific agent in China, a virus, to wipe out most
Chinese.
That might account for some of the exclamations of the Chinese general
staff, the second in command of the military, who has said twice now
that China is preparing to wage and to win a nuclear war with the
United States. Now maybe he was talking about the Rockefeller
interests in the United States. I don't know.
This is an interesting conversation, to put it mildly. Benjamin
Fulford is my guest. We'll be right back with hour number two of our
conversation in a few minutes.
[Break]
-HOUR TWO-
RENSE: Okay, back with Benjamin Fulford, the former Asian-Pacific
bureau chief for Forbes Magazine for eight years. He's got quite a CV.
You can see it on his website by clicking on his name at <http://
rense.com/>Rense.com.
We're talking about the Asian / Chinese secret society, which has
tentacles all over the world. It is more than concerned about the
plans, and apparently one failed attempt, to massively reduce the
Chinese population, enroute to an overall world population reduction
of some 80 percent. At least that's our understanding of the plans of
a faction of the world elite, the Illuminati, the controllers, and so
forth.
Again, a very fascinating conversation. In the Featured Story section
of <http://rense.com/>Rense.com,
Dr. Henry Makow's article, "Chinese
Secret Society Challenges Illuminati," all about Ben Fulford. Ben's
article underneath it, "The Secret History of the Freemasons in
Japan," is a very interesting history lesson in and of itself.
Okay, Ben. You had your meeting in Taiwan. You met upstairs in a
rather plain, nondescript room in a Chinese restaurant. You met with
these guys. They are well-dressed guys at this point, would you say?
FULFORD: Some of them were obviously billionaires, and some were
senior government figures. Some of them...
RENSE: How could you think they were obviously billionaires, Ben? What
was it about them that made you feel that?
FULFORD: Well, the list of companies they owned...
RENSE: Did they present their own CV to you to prove their pedigree?
FULFORD: [With] some of them, you can see their faces in the newspaper
all the time.
RENSE: I see. Okay. With your knowledge, you knew who some of them
were.
FULFORD: Yeah.
RENSE: And again, some of them, Ben Fulford would never have guessed.
These are professional people, they're not bums. Here they are, saying
"Ben, we trust you not to talk about this too much. And what we're
trying to do is..."
What did they say they were trying to accomplish?
FULFORD: They want to stop these people, obviously.
RENSE: Who are 'these people'? The Rockefeller, Rothschild, Freemasons
and Illuminati?
FULFORD: The Rockefellers, the Illuminati families.
RENSE: Would you call them anti-Asian? Westerners? What would you call
them?
FULFORD: They are racists, but they are more than that. They want to
enslave humanity.
RENSE: Okay. And the fewer the number left around, the easier it is to
enslave them. So they want a skeleton crew, so to speak, left in China
to run things.
FULFORD: They like the Chinese. They want to keep some Chinese around
because they make good stuff cheap, no?
RENSE: Yeah, just like they want to keep some Africans around in sub-
Saharan Africa to work the plantation.
FULFORD: Right. That sort of thinking. Their plan, as I was told by
the Japanese Illuminati, was to weaken China through disease, and also
starvation. They are trying to engineer a global food shortage by
creating viruses that affect our major food crops.
Then they want to provoke a war by getting Taiwan to declare
independence. Their hope, by that time, is to have the Japanese army
as a subdivision of the US army, ready to pounce on China and divide
it into six countries. This was the plan told to me by very senior
Japanese people.
RENSE: When was this plan cooped [laughs] - kooky plan, but when was
it cooked up?
FULFORD: Quite a long time ago. These people think in terms of decades
or even longer.
RENSE: The Japanese army is not able to go in and subjugate China.
This is...
FULFORD: The Japanese army is one of the biggest armies in the world.
It's huge. It would be working with the US Army and the Navy.
RENSE: How big is the Japanese army? How many standing men in
uniform?
FULFORD: It's an 'instant ramen' army. What they have is lots and lots
of officers and lots and lots of weapons. They have the third biggest
military budget in the world. What they can do at any time is grab
three million office workers off the street and turn them into
soldiers.
RENSE: Wow.
FULFORD: That's quite huge, and very up to date.
RENSE: So this plan of subjugating China with this army, and other
factors like what's left of our army and military - is it a plan that
is still cohesive, militarily?
FULFORD: Not really. The Japanese are still going according to the
original plan, but that blew up in Iraq, didn't it?
RENSE: It sure did!
FULFORD: The plan was to grab all the oil in the Middle East, and then
go and get China. But they couldn't quite get their Middle Eastern
part done. That's why, a very im****tant thing to understand is that
because the Rothschild faction split with the Rockefellers, that's
when we had this "Freedom Fries" business and all this anti-French
stuff.
They are not getting enough financing to maintain a big army there.
That's why there are 150,000 troops. The only money they're getting
now is from Japan. The Europeans aren't willing to finance this
adventure in Iraq anymore.
So there has been a very major schism here between the Rothschilds and
the Rockefellers. That's part of the reason why they can't afford to
run the Iraq thing properly.
RENSE: Now the [Chinese] secret society, pointing to SARS as an
attempt. That's what galvanized them.
I guess we come to the next obvious question. Why, then, Fulford?
FULFORD: I wrote about this in a book in Japanese, which alerted them.
Then they did their own research and confirmed that it was true.
RENSE: You wrote about the population reduction plans?
FULFORD: Yeah, and SARS and stuff, and how it only affected mainly
Asians. Also an interesting little misquote can be found in the
Congressional record, from July 13, 2005. You have a bio-weapons
expert saying the weaponization of bird flu is taking place across
Asia. In the Congressional record, they tried to erase it. I've got
multiple copies stacked here and there.
RENSE: We do know that on April Fool's Day, April 1st of 2005, the
resident of the White House, George Bush, signed an executive order
which gave the federal government - i.e. George Bush and anybody he
designates - full power of quarantine over any and all Americans,
towns, cities, counties, states, which have been exposed to H5N1,
Avian influenza, or any other exotic, infectious micro-organism.
They're not taking any chances.
So somebody knows something somewhere. We've been tracking this - you
don't know this - on my program for some three years now, with Dr.
Henry Al-Nyman (ph), Ph.D., who is a brilliant micro-biologist and
geneticist. He has been following this genetically from the beginning,
forecasting what it would do, and how it is learning more and more
about how to survive and thrive in mammals, which it is very close to
doing now. It's changing all the time, and getting closer and closer
to true pandemic status.
Now if there is an Asian genetic factor to this, I'm not aware of it,
but we do know that Indonesia is rampant with H5N1, and Vietnam,
Cambodia, and Taiwan have had a lot of trouble with it. So that's a
fact.
FULFORD: It's also a fact that the Asians are a little over sharing
the bird flu data with the Americans. [They say,] "Why should we give
you stuff that will allow you to create a vaccine to protect your own
people while we die?"
RENSE: That makes sense. We wondered why the genomes were being
withheld, why the samples were being withheld.
FULFORD: The Chinese haven't been giving them for years now. They
said, "The hell with that. We're not going to protect your own people
while you try to kill us."
RENSE: Okay. Back to the meeting in Taiwan.
FULFORD: They decided that these people need to be overthrown.
RENSE: The Rothschilds, the Illuminati, the Rockefellers.
FULFORD: Yeah. The Illuminati. And specifically, if I have to, I will
ally myself with the Rothschilds against the Rockefellers, if it comes
to it. I'd rather get them both out of power, but the Rothschilds are
a much mellower bunch at this point. They're [promoting] the global
warming thing. It's stupid, but...
RENSE: I wouldn't agree with you, but I would suggest that what
they're doing in Europe with Bush's so-called defensive missiles,
threatening and pu****ng and provoking Russia, is not particularly
sanguine; it's pretty damn dangerous.
The Russians today announced they are going to deploy their new
Iskander (ph). It's a new medium-range cruise missile, in Western
Russia, to oppose the so-called Bush 'defensive' missiles, which of
course are being placed there, or will be placed there, to knock down
the Topol-M, which has also just been advanced dramatically.
The Topol-M was a single-bang warhead. Now it's a MERV'ed warhead, and
it has had two successful test firings. So the Topol-M is now MERV'ed,
meaning it has ten independently targeted thermonuclear warheads in
each rocket.
Now the Topol has a triple-speed boost phase, which makes it very hard
to knock down. These interceptor rockets that Bush wants to put in
Europe are specifically designed to try to stop the Topol-M in its
boost phase. That's another story.
Go ahead, please.
FULFORD: What it means is we've now got the Russians and the Chinese.
I've now been contacted by the Japanese secret government, and it
looks like they're also going to turn against the Rockefellers.
RENSE: Now the Rockefellers have the Japanese by the shorthairs, or at
least they have so far.
FULFORD: Yeah. They have so far. The thing is, the Japanese want to
keep friendly relations with the United States. They really do like
that US-Japan relation****p and they don't want to damage that. But if
they can preserve that relation****p and get rid of the Rockefellers,
that would be very happy for them - very happy indeed.
[Bumper music]
RENSE: So is this suggesting some kind of cooperation between the
Chinese secret society and the Japanese government, which wants
liberation from the yoke of the Rothschilds?
FULFORD: Absolutely! Absolutely. They are cooperating. They are going
to be given an ultimatum soon. We're just waiting for all our ducks to
be in a row.
RENSE: All right, stand by. Hold on right there, Ben. We'll come back
and talk more about this.
Okay. Wow. Quite a fortune cookie. We'll be right back in just a few
minutes with Benjamin Fulford.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. And back with Ben Fulford. Hi, Ben. You want to carry on
right where we were?
FULFORD: Yes. They are going to be given an ultimatum.
When these people first contacted me, once I knew they were for real,
the first thing I thought was, "We'll play 9/11 movies in Chinatowns
around the world." But then I thought, "Wait a minute. These guys are
really bad people." I thought about it.
I realized the Illuminati and all their servants are about 10,000
people. Everyone below them - if they knew what the 10,000 were doing,
they would be furious, and rip them out of their houses and hang them
from the nearest lampposts. Right?
RENSE: Mm hm.
FULFORD: The Chinese [secret society has] six million. So that's 600
to 1 odds. More specifically, there are ten professional assassins for
each member of the Illuminati. So basically it's checkmate for them.
The question is how to bring this out to the public and make this a
formal thing.
However, killing people is something I don't like - and neither do
they. So the first order of business is to try to talk, before things
get radical.
The point is, there is the technical ability to wipe them all out in a
matter of hours. They would all be assassinated.
But instead, I think, they're going to be offered an op****tunity. I
don't think - I know. They are going to be offered an op****tunity to
surrender.
RENSE: Will you be playing a role in making such an offer?
FULFORD: Absolutely. I am their spokesman. My job is to represent them
in the Western world.
I know what I am allowed to say and what I am not allowed to say.
The point is this. We would start by killing David Rockefeller, and
then work our way down the list until they agree to our terms.
RENSE: You speak, I want to make this clear. Ben Fulford is speaking
hypothetically here.
FULFORD: Hypothetically. What I'm saying is that if they do not
surrender...
RENSE: ...or comply, or become acquiescent...
FULFORD: Yes. Then we have to protect ourselves from genocide. And the
way to do that, with the minimum possible death, is we start at the
top of the Eye and work our way down until they agree.
RENSE: So the idea would be five or ten thousand is a lot better than
a billion.
FULFORD: Zero is a lot better than five or ten thousand!
RENSE: And that was my next statement. Yes. I understand that.
FULFORD: My job is to try to make sure that not a single person dies.
That is the ideal. The commissions that are going to be offered - and
I know David Rockefeller is going to be listening to this, so you'd
better listen, David Rockefeller:
1. They are going to be allowed to keep their palaces and their
servants. They will be given an amnesty, but they must appear before a
truth commission.
2. And they must promise - them and their clan - to never, ever try
again to enslave the human race.
3. And third, they must spend the rest of their lives doing good
deeds.
Those are the conditions. I think they're very good ones, and it's the
best they have available. They'd better hurry before the American
people drag them out of their houses and hang them from the nearest
lampposts, which I think is about to happen anyway.
RENSE: Do those conditions apply to the Rothschilds as well?
FULFORD: Yeah, I mean, maybe the Rothschilds can work themselves their
own deal. I'm in contact with a Rothschild representative, and maybe
we can come up with something else. The main point is to stop the
genocide. That is the number one goal.
RENSE: What would you term what the Americans are doing in Iraq and
Afghanistan? We have seen the slaughter of over...
FULFORD: Well, they're irradiating it with nuclear dust!
RENSE: We are turning it into nuclear dust, we have killed already
close to one million Iraqis since the Iraq war began over four years
ago. The threat now to invade Iran, a country of 70 to 80 million
people, is quite clearly on the front burner again. So this is
genocide.
FULFORD: Yes.
RENSE: And this is not being orchestrated entirely by the
Rockefellers, although I do see the connection to what you're saying.
Now we want to quickly jump over to... go ahead.
FULFORD: The Rockefellers are just one... I don't want to put
everything on that one name. You've got to remember that you have the
JP Morgan descendants.
What people in America need to do is get an old Who's Who. Look up the
names of the bankers, the six or seven families who took over the Fed
in 1913. Get the Who's Who and look up all their descendants. And then
capture all the males. The United States would wake up.
It would be like the movie "The Island," where everyone suddenly wakes
up and realizes they're being subjected to Freudian / Pavlovian mind
control. It would be a miracle. It would be freedom!
That's what you have to do to save America. Those are the people you
need to make as your priority targets if you want to save the United
States and stop this genocide. The court jesters are the Neocons, too,
who are the servants of these people.
RENSE: Well, the Neocons are essentially servants of the Zionist /
Jewish / Rothschild cartel that is pu****ng the Middle East agenda, as
much as we can tell.
Now the oil issue, of course, appears to cross over to both sides. It
appears that Zionism is taking on Russia now, and pu****ng very hard in
that respect. The Rockefellers are hard at work in Iran, covertly, and
Iraq of course overtly, and Afghanistan. That's a simplistic
overview.
FULFORD: They need oil to control the world.
RENSE: The Chinese need oil to continue to develop and progress, as do
the Japanese.
FULFORD: You know what? Actually they figured out that maybe they
don't need oil. They have these huge plants that are converting coal
to oil now. To be honest, the Japanese had the technology to make fuel
from water 30 years ago.
[Bumper music]
RENSE: I think several people have, if you simply spend an hour on the
Internet and look up taking hydrogen from water and actually making it
burn. There is a lot of potential out there, which the petroleum
companies are not too fond of.
FULFORD: Yeah. Actually let me tell you a personal story...
RENSE: Hold on, let's do that in just a minute, Ben, please. We have
to pause. We'll do the personal story next, with Benjamin Fulford, who
has just laid out some pretty interesting conditions for an alleged
offer that perhaps the Illuminati can't afford to refuse. We will
see.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. Back with you. Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo, is with
us. Pretty stunning material. All right, Ben, you had a personal story
you wanted to share. Go ahead.
FULFORD: My great grandfather was G.T. Fulford. He was one of the
richest men in the world - George Taylor Fulford. You can find him on
Wikipedia. He was one of the richest men on Earth, and he was the
largest single shareholder in General Electric.
He was going to finance Nikola Tesla, but he was murdered by the
Rockefellers in 1905. It was made to look like a car accident.
RENSE: Your grandfather.
FULFORD: Great grandfather.
RENSE: Great grandfather. So really! Wow.
FULFORD: And the family fortune was stolen. My grandfather was only
three years old at the time. The family fortune was taken over by the
Rockefellers. My grandfather didn't know how to suspend his assets.
I am telling the Rockefellers right now, they can think of me as the
ghost of G.T. Fulford, come back over a century - from four
generations - to get justice.
RENSE: You speak in a very brave and cavalier way.
FULFORD: I've got good people behind me!
RENSE: And as I was going to say, you speak as if you are a man with
great self-assurance, and you have a lot of friends.
FULFORD: Absolutely. You have 100,000 assassins backing you up, you
don't have to be a chicken!
RENSE: Well, you don't sound like a chicken.
FULFORD: No. I'm going to get these people if no one else does. If
they don't agree to my terms, they are doomed. And they know it. They
have the intelligence agents.
You people out there, you don't know because you don't have access.
You don't know if I'm lying, if I'm a crazy guy, but they do. People
in the CIA, the NSA, Mossad, they know I'm not kidding. This society
is real. And they are moving.
So they realize this is not a bluff. This a promise. They must stop
their crazy games.
What these people are trying to do - I know it sounds insane. They are
trying to artificially create Armageddon. They are trying to make
people believe these are end times, by slaughtering people through
disease and famine.
I believe they even have, I know this will sound a bit crazy and you
will start wondering about me, but they have some kind of microwave
weapon that can heat up underground water near earthquake-prone zones,
and trigger earthquakes.
RENSE: Oh, I believe it. If that particular technology is true, it's
probably one of two or three. They can do it with harmonic resonance,
with sonic-based weapons and devices. There are a lot of ways,
apparently, to get earthquake faults to move.
FULFORD: So what I'm getting, the feeling is these people are trying
to artificially create the appearance of end times, just like in the
Bible, and fool everybody.
RENSE: They seem to be playing to that script.
FULFORD: And you must not be fooled, because this has nothing to do
with anything spiritual or otherworldly. This is right here on this
earth.
And the cults these people represent, they have been known by folklore
over the years. You have to start with Nimrod, the Babylonian tyrant.
Then Hammurabi.
Hammurabi is known to the Jews as Abraham - a Babylonian tyrant. A
slave driver. These people have had a secret sect of slave drivers
that is almost six thousand years old.
They have very, very sophisticated methods. They use secrecy, murder,
bribery and ridicule as their main weapons. They have had a very good
run, but this is checkmate for them, as far as I am concerned.
They are not going to get away with this. They'd better realize it.
It's game up. They've been exposed. People know about them. They are
onto their game. And it's not going to work.
All you've got to do is target the Eye. Hollywood - the people in
Hollywood have been trying to warn the Americans for years! If you
look at Tolkien's movie, you have this Eye on the top of a mountain.
Destroy the Eye and save the world.
Or [destroy] the masters. Stanley Kubrick gave up his life to expose
these people.
So you've got to remember this isn't [associated with] the Jews. The
Jews are your best friends in fighting these people, because they've
been their biggest victims over the years.
RENSE: Well, we're talking about Zionists here, not Jews.
FULFORD: Exactly. I'm talking about a specific - well, yeah, you can
call them Zionists. I think at a higher level it is a very secretive
sect of people who are pretending they are Gods.
RENSE: What happened to Stanley Kubrick? I don't mean the precise
cause of death, but where was he going that got him into trouble with
these people?
FULFORD: It was the movie Eyes Wide Shut, exposing the Masonic orgies.
They showed that there were people being killed. This is probably
based on real events.
I haven't done the proper research, but there is an old man who dies
in Eyes Wide Shut. If I'm not mistaken, the man in the movie died
exactly the way Stanley Kubrick died in real life, just as he finished
the movie.
RENSE: It is also suggested that Kubrick was involved in creating the
- at least some hoaxed Apollo moon footage, and knew all about that.
His wife has intimated as much since his death.
FULFORD: In 1938, on April Fool's Day, they had the War of the Worlds
on radio, with Orson Welles. All sorts of people believed it. So, they
said "Ha! This is a tool we can use. People will believe anything if
it's on the media."
RENSE: Well, I think the media, then, with the work of Edward L.
Bernays, began its ascendancy. It has become the most powerful tool of
human oppression, social engineering, programming and mind control
that has ever been on the planet.
FULFORD: One of the most im****tant instances of mind control is
association. What they do, for example, with this holocaust stuff, is
they show you something so horrible that everybody is disgusted.
Killing innocent women and children in gas chambers, turning people
into soap, it's just so awful that you hate it. Anyone would.
RENSE: Of course, the soap issue has been completely discounted, by
the way.
FULFORD: That's not the point. The point is they fill you with this
horrible story. Then they associate everything they don't want you to
think about with that.
So before I woke up to what was happening to me - if somebody tells me
about a secret cartel of financiers who control the world's central
banks, I would have instantly said, "Oh, yeah, that's that anti-
Semitic thing. Oh, you're a Neo-Nazi. You want to kill people. Oh my
God, you're horrible. I can't talk to you."
And then the conversation shuts down. That's how they do it! That's
the kind of mind-wash or brain control [they use] through
association.
RENSE: The Illuminati controllers have been bleeding the world's
populace for a long time. They are real good at it. What is it about
your message that you think their ego will back down enough to take
seriously? You laid the numbers out there. Is it going to take some
kind of an example?
FULFORD: I hope not. I really do. Even if you lose one assassin, this
guy has got a family. He's got people who love him. He's going to be a
suicide mission for sure.
[Bumper music]
We'd rather not have to do that. And then his family has to be
sup****tive. It's not a nice thing to kill people.
RENSE: No, it isn't.
FULFORD: It's really a last resort.
RENSE: All right. Stand by, Ben. We'll take a break and come right
back with Benjamin Fulford. Again, the Asia-Pacific bureau chief for
Forbes magazine, for eight years. Take a look on his website, click on
his article at <http://rense.com/>Rense.com.
It's a remarkable conversation. If it is true, of course it changes
the balance of power dynamics on this planet. Incredible. Time will
tell. We'll be right back.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay, we're back. There are, of course, an awful lot of people
around the world listening right now who will continue to read Henry
Makow, Ph.D.'s story about Ben Fulford.
We'll have more from Ben at <http://rense.com/>Rense.com.
And they are
probably cheering for this, or certainly entertaining this concept,
this program, with a great deal of guarded optimism, shall we say. It
would be nice to see that the status quo, which is quite clearly hell-
bent on creating an Armageddon, could be stopped somehow.
Okay, Ben. A lot of things to touch on. You want to do any follow up
on anything in particular?
FULFORD: One thing, getting back to G.T. The 20th century was supposed
to be a century of wonder. Unlimited free electricity.
RENSE: Tesla, of course, was the man who had that, and offered it to
us, but it was not allowed to be accepted.
FULFORD: That's right. That's part of why they killed my great
grandfather - he was going to finance Tesla. So they turned it into a
century of horror. They need war and they need fear to control
people.
If things get too peaceful, then they cannot keep things under
control.
What has happened - and this is im****tant, this is the big rift, the
[Rothschild] Global Warming / [Rockefeller] War on Terror thing.
The radical faction, who wants to go ahead with Armageddon, are the
War on Terror people. They're all a lie, basically. Another faction
[is saying], "Okay, look. The plan to create a world government, with
Jerusalem as its capital, is just not going to work right now. It's
much easier to make the EU a central world government."
The thing you must understand about communism, the EU and even
capitalism, as it is now practiced in the United States - they are all
forms of disguising true central control. In other words, it's all
different forms of Babylonian tyranny.
We can see through that to the essence. And the essence is to look at
where the money is coming from. Finance.
I was a financial journalist for 20 years, and it took me a long time
to figure out that finance is just propaganda. What finance really
means is the human process of deciding what to do in the future. It's
the idea of "How do we navigate into the future?" And that has been
stolen from us by these people. That's why they need to control the
central banks.
RENSE: Well, they want us to feel helpless, of course.
FULFORD: People work for money, and they control the money. That's how
they control the society. People who say the wrong things get fired,
or killed, or marginalized. Or, invited in. That's how they control.
It's through money.
If Jesus Christ were alive today - when Jesus was alive, he went to
the temple and he overturned the money changers' temple. If he were
alive today he'd go to the Fed and he'd unplug the mainframe. That's
what he would do.
RENSE: Unplug the mainframe. Liberate the planet.
FULFORD: Absolutely. They say, "All right, enough of this, we're going
to figure out a new way."
RENSE: Well, if something doesn't happen soon, we're all going to hell
in a handbasket. It looks pretty grim, as you well know.
FULFORD: The United States is in a particularly grim situation, but
fortunately the rest of the world is much freer, and we're going to
help the United States.
RENSE: I've heard that. We are the black hole of the planet in some
respects, I guess.
FULFORD: Think about it. The endgame. These people are desperate.
Cheney, Bush, they have 18 months left. The whole country has turned
against them. Even the puppets in Congress. People are onto the fact
that they were put in there by people with money, not by people with
votes.
RENSE: They completely turned into something else when they showed up
in Wa****ngton DC. Their constituents no longer matter. The betrayal
factor here is off the scale! It's unbelievable. The treasonous
behavior of Congress, the traitorous actions of those at the highest
levels of government is almost unimaginable.
FULFORD: We have to remember - these people are scared. They are being
threatened with murder at the highest levels - people like Edward
Kennedy. These people, they killed General Patton, they killed the
Kennedys, they killed Martin Luther King. They murder.
Most decent people who want to go into politics think about making
people's lives better. They don't know how to deal with a gang of
murderers - especially a very old, sophisticated group of gangsters.
RENSE: That's a very good point. It's gangsters. That's what's running
the show. You're right.
FULFORD: And that's why you need gangsters to fight gangsters. This is
where these Asian people come in. They know how to do a gang war. The
first phase, which is what I have initiated right now, is the shouting
match. We say, "Look. You'd better listen." And if they don't listen,
then we go to the next phase.
RENSE: What's the timetable on this, Ben?
FULFORD: I cannot discuss that. You can't let people know what you're
going to do. But I will tell you something interesting.
There is a force of three thousand ninja assassins. Now these ninjas
are a two thousand year old cult - a school of martial arts. One of
their specialties is sneaking into fortified compounds and murdering
im****tant people. The thing about these ninjas is they are white
people - they are not Asians - and they are working for the US Special
Forces.
They were trained by the Japanese. They understand the true state of
power in the US, and they are willing to act when the time comes.
So I hope you're listening out there, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Rockefeller.
We have someone close to each of you. You can be turned into dead meat
in a matter of hours. I am not bluffing.
And I am hoping it doesn't come to that. I am a decent human being. I
am a journalist. I do not want any death. Not one.
But if it comes to it, they will all be slaughtered. They will be
hunted down like beasts. Every one of them will be killed. Until they
agree to the terms I mentioned before.
RENSE: How does the Chinese government interface with this, if at
all?
FULFORD: Well, they have people right up to the highest levels of the
Chinese government in the society. They do have areas where their
interests coincide, and one of them, of course, is stopping genocide.
Right now, they are not fighting the Chinese government. They are
therefore kind of semi-tolerated. Right now there is a state of an
uneasy truce. But, as I said, they are separate. They have separate
headquarters and a totally separate history.
When it comes to stopping genocide, they are in total agreement. I am
sure that the Chinese government's resources could be made available
to us, if it came to that.
RENSE: Given that your organization - that to which you pur****t to
represent - is threatening, apparently, people with death, could that
not be construed by the Department of Homeland Security - not that I
expect to hear your knees knocking with fear - as some sort of
terrorism being issued over this program?
FULFORD: It's not terrorism. It's saying, "If you don't stop killing
people, if you don't stop killing us, we will have to defend
ourselves."
It's not terrorism to defend yourself. It's self-defense. They are
doing the killing. They are the ones out there murdering people and
carrying on genocide. They are the ones who are planning this
incredible mass slaughter, not us.
So if there are any terrorists, you know who they are. It's the
Illuminati. They are the real terrorists. Everybody knows that by
now.
We are trying to stop terrorism. Our point is, we don't want to kill a
single person. Nobody. Not one.
RENSE: And you have, apparently, presented a method by which that can
be achieved - without anyone dying.
FULFORD: Think about the one-dollar bill. You have the eye on the
pyramid. The eye represents the people who kept the human race in the
job of pyramid building, right? What you have to do - this is very
im****tant - it is very, very centralized, this thing. Target the eye.
Forget about their flunkies. Forget about their employees, their
servants. They just have no choice. They are innocent. Even the people
on the Council of Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers - most of them
are decent people who would really not like to be part of this, but
they had no choice.
So the trick is to go right to the very, very top.
RENSE: Dr. John Coleman (ph), in his book, "Conspirators: Hierarchy of
the Committee of 300," did name names for the first time years ago.
The book is in its fourth or fifth edition now. And it was quite
centralized.
Now did you turn over a list of people to this secret society at one
point?
FULFORD: Oh yeah. There are a lot of these lists in Japan, but
basically it's all the descendants of the original banking families
who put together the Fed. It's all the male descendants, okay? They
won't kill females.
The expanded - the other Illuminati families, you know the names. The
Warburgs, the Morgans, Schiffs, et cetera - everybody knows the names.
The Bilderbergers, the Council of Foreign Relations, Skull and Bones,
Scroll and Key, all these people [have top Illuminati members in their
groups].
The point is that what they do - the trick is to start at the very
highest level and work your way down. They don't want to kill anybody,
if possible. Let's keep it to the minimum, if possible. But, if
necessary, if it's the only way to stop the killing of hundreds and
hundreds of millions of people, which is what they're trying to do...
RENSE: Billions.
FULFORD: Billions! Yeah, they are trying to kill billions of people.
This is not a joke. This is reality!
....Then you have to stop them! You have no other choice. It is self-
defense. It is not terrorism.
RENSE: In Japan, have you made this public yet, Benjamin, or are you
doing it here for the first time?
FULFORD: Yes. It has been made public in Japan. They know about it. It
is in my latest book. It came out about a month ago. There is a lot of
stuff going on here.
I have been in contact with the Japanese secret government. They are
cooperating with me.
I repeat. Their point is that they like the US society, they like
Americans, they like the United States. They don't want to pick a
fight with America. If there is some way of freeing them from the
Rockefellers and these Illuminati, they would love that to happen.
That is where they are coming from. So they are cooperating, to a
certain extent. The negotiations are ongoing as to how to do this.
But the plan I have given them, and I have presented on your website,
is we make contact with Russia, China, India - countries that are not
controlled by Illuminati pawns - Latin American countries - everybody
in the world, basically - we all get together and we say, "Enough is
enough."
[Bumper music]
And just like that. It's like pulling down the Iron Curtain, or
pulling away the curtain that is hiding the Wizard of Oz.
RENSE: Knocking down the Berlin Wall.
FULFORD: Yeah. All it takes is for the people to say, "Wait a minute!
Enough is enough." Expose these people, show them to the world. Let
people know who they are and what they are doing. They will be
stopped.
RENSE: Right.
FULFORD: The other thing is the lower-down people. For example, the
people who sup****t a world government based in the EU, they think it's
about human rights and justice and law.
RENSE: About ten seconds to the break. Real quick.
FULFORD: They are all chumps. The people who sup****t them. Many of
them. They don't know what's going on.
RENSE: Okay. Stand by, Ben. We'll take a break and come back. Hour
number three coming up in just a few minutes.
[Break]
-HOUR THREE-
RENSE: Okay, we're back with Benjamin Fulford, former Asia-Pacific
bureau chief with Forbes magazine for nearly eight years.
A Chinese secret society has issued, through Mr. Fulford, a life-or-
death ultimatum for the Illuminati to stop the genocide, back off and
change course - about 180 degrees.
The Chinese also feel, according to Mr. Fulford, that SARS was, in
fact, a biological weapon deployed to attempt to reduce the Chinese
population by an extraordinary number of people. It didn't work for a
variety of reasons, but it was clearly and specifically able to affect
and infect those of Asian descent.
Again, look at the numbers of people in Canada who died of SARS. You
can probably do a Google search on pictures of those people and see.
It's about 95 percent Asian.
Okay. Our conversation has covered some extraordinary information so
far. We have about another hour to go. There are many places to go,
but Ben I hear you wanting to say something, so go right ahead.
FULFORD: Sure. I just want to make a point. You know William Shatner,
the guy who played Captain Kirk on the Star****p Enterprise? He was a
Canadian. And as a Canadian, I would be proud to serve on a US ****p
like Enterprise. You know, "Flying where no man has gone before?" The
Kennedy America.
That's what the world wants to see again. That's what everybody is
wi****ng for. So when I see Americans captured by robber barons, and
subjected to Freudian / Pavlovian mind control...
RENSE: No better example than September 11th.
FULFORD: Yes. I have to fight to the death to help free my American
brothers and sisters, if it comes to that.
Everybody wants America to be free from these people, including the
Americans. When you really come down to it, it is a small number. All
you have to do is expose them. That's the key. People have to know who
they are and what they're up to. That's it. It could be like the
Velvet Revolution - a bloodless end to this.
That's what I'm offering them. And that's what the American people
should quickly realize. They can do it. They don't have to worry about
fighting black helicopters or policemen or anything like that. These
people are just as much victims as everybody else.
RENSE: Now the black helicopters notwithstanding, the American public
is not going to have to become directly involved in this if what
you're saying is on the table now. The gauntlet is down, the challenge
has been made. Americans need to...
FULFORD: That's it. We'll try peaceful methods. So the plan I gave to
the Japanese government is, we get the Russians, the Chinese, the
Indians, everybody on Earth, basically, to say "Enough is enough." It
should just be a matter of announcing the fact that we will not buy
any more US government bonds until the US government decides to change
course.
RENSE: Could the Chinese effectively decimate the American economy at
this point with the holdings they have, and the control they do have,
over American economic and business interests?
FULFORD: Of course. There are ten times more dollars circulating
around the world than the US economy is worth.
If people said, "Okay, we don't believe this dollar thing anymore", or
better still, if they stopped using oil and started burning water, and
other fuels, that would end it.
The thing is, I personally believe the US is depending on the armed
forces to be the greatest force for good in the history of humankind.
It's not who they are, it's the organization. It's the job they've
been given. They should be out there stopping poverty and
environmental destruction rather than stealing oil for robber barons.
RENSE: Speaking of robber barons, when Dov Zakheim (ph) was in charge
of the Pentagon budget, some three TRILLION dollars vanished. No one
has been able to track that yet. No one is even trying!
FULFORD: There is a huge underground secret budget which they are
using for this Armageddon plan. People need to find out about this.
They are going to try to put on quite a show, and really try to fool
everybody, thinking these are end times. That's where I believe that
money went to - some kind of huge smoke-and-mirrors show, on a global
scale. It will make 9/11 look like child's play.
RENSE: That's what most people are expecting who are watching this
carefully. Something that big will have to happen to scare the wits
out of what is left of American independence into utter subservience
and domination.
And it probably would work. Given the fact that the electronic media
is so overwhelmingly oppressive in its own right, and clever, and
domineering...
FULFORD: Remember, there are six people who control these media.
RENSE: Six cor****ations, that's right.
FULFORD: Yeah, but it's six people, really, when you come down to it.
Actually I'd like to take this time now to direct a message to Rupert
Murdoch and Lord Thompson of Fleet (ph). I strongly suggest to them
that they confirm, through their own sources, that I am not bluffing -
that this society is real.
Mr. Murdoch can call anyone senior in the Taiwanese government, for
example, or Mr. Thompson could ask personal columnists in the Tokyo
bureau, and they can provide him with the proof.
They know that they would have to either stop applying propaganda to
the American people, or find a deep hole and hide in it.
They will realize this is not a bluff. These people are real. Mr.
Murdoch has good Chinese connections. They will realize that the
attire has changed. They will start providing people with the truth.
Mr. Murdoch, I think he will do whatever the powers-that-be want. He
doesn't have any personal agenda. If he realizes he will be protected,
I think he is willing to turn.
RENSE: It's hard to believe Fox News telling us the truth, but yeah,
okay.
FULFORD: He says it's his business. He was here in Tokyo a while ago.
He said, "Yeah, look. I saw a Mossad marketplace. I saw Nice, I saw
the De Merde (ph), and so I went for it.
I don't think he believes anything Fox News says personally - it's
just business for him. He does something similar for the Chinese -
what appeals to Chinese phobia. It's just business for him.
RENSE: You wrote a book about September 11th in Japan. How did it
sell? Pretty well?
FULFORD: Yeah. 80,000 copies.
RENSE: That's a best-seller six times over back in the States.
FULFORD: It was very influential. There was a big 9/11 conference
here, and I've had a couple of TV shows about 9/11 here on network TV,
of all things. The Japanese are much quicker to catch on to stuff like
this than the Americans. They have been subjected to a different type
of brain control than the Americans.
What happened after World War II for the Japanese is they were
subjected to this 'fallen' kind of mind control.
First of all, they were given an inferiority complex towards white
people. They were made passive. They were made so they didn't have
opinion. They work hard, and think that America is a wonderful,
wonderful country.
Any time anyone got too smart... the other thing is they made sure
there would be no geniuses. This is how they keep Japan under control.
Then when people do get smart, they either co-opt them or they kill
them.
RENSE: You're talking about the Rockefellers.
FULFORD: Yeah. They've had to kill at least four Prime Ministers in
the post-war era.
RENSE: In Henry Makow's article that was one of the most interesting
claims. Four dead, and over 200, I guess, major Japanese figures.
FULFORD: I've interviewed seven Japanese prime ministers. Captains of
industry, members of security police, senior gangsters. I have very
good sources. I have everything on tape. I have enough evidence to
convict David Rockefeller of at least three murders related to the
recent takeover of the Japanese banking system.
This is how I got into this. This is why I got so deep inside. I
followed the trail, all the way up until I actually hit the finance
minister. That's when suddenly I was given this gold badge, which is
the analog version of the gold chip I guess they're planning to put in
there - you know, in their elite servants.
What they've done to the Japanese people is truly horrible. Everyone
thinks it was a wonderful thing. The Japanese people love the American
people. They do. But at the same time, they hate the Rockefellers, and
they think of them as these horrible dictators who are tyrants to both
the Americans and the Japanese.
RENSE: The other losers of World War II, the German people, have paid
a terrible price as well, of course.
FULFORD: Well yeah. I learned that from your website. They killed all
those people after the war!
RENSE: Yeah. Millions.
FULFORD: What they did to Germany was absolutely horrible too. They
like to talk about the holocaust. Right now there are 48 million
people dying of starvation every year. So many more times the
holocaust, happening right now! They're not doing anything about it!
RENSE: No, it doesn't even make the papers over here.
FULFORD: The Pentagon, like I said before, can be the greatest force
for good in human history. All you have to do is give them the job of
saving the planet.
The amount of money... how I got into this whole thread in the first
place is I realized the Japanese could end poverty and stop all
environmental destruction, and have change left over, if they just
used their surplus to heal the planet.
When I asked them why they didn't, I ended up finding out it was
because they were a slave people, and they would be murdered if they
tried to spend their own money that way.
I do believe the people in the Pentagon would love to go and save the
planet. They would be much happier with that job than killing people
for robber barons.
[Bumper music]
I'm asking people now. I'm calling for people, loyal Americans, the
CIA, the NSA, people in the Pentagon: take your country back. Realize
that the democracy is in danger, and your oath is to the Constitution,
not to the dictators. Not to the bankers.
RENSE: Well, that's a key expression which I made mention of many
times, as did thousands of other Americans on this Fourth of July just
passed - that we should all read the Constitution and the Bill of
Rights again. Especially the people we voted for and sent to
Wa****ngton to represent our country and our local areas. Back in a few
minutes with Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. Talking with Benjamin Fulford. September 11th. We know
quite a lot about it over here. There is a lot of disinformation, as
you know, on the Internet. Government agents, agents provocateurs,
trying to muddy the waters - but we've got a pretty good handle on the
thing. How did it look to you over there, and what are your thoughts
about who was behind it - directly, or indirectly, or both?
FULFORD: I think this was something they had planned for a long time.
RENSE: An Illuminati operation, in other words.
FULFORD: Yes. An Illuminati operation.
The thing that really stops most people, who still don't know what
9/11 is... they say "Wait a minute! This happened to me too. How come
the New York Times doesn't write about it? Why isn't it on the TV?"
RENSE: Somehow, Americans have got to be shaken out of that stu**** and
understand that those media are controlled by, as you say, essentially
six people. And that's the real problem here. Opposition of the
government to the killers, to the gangsters, has no platform. They are
shut out of the mainstream media.
They have got the Internet, which of course is rampant with all kinds
of operators and people who are out to do nothing other than slander,
libel, cause fights and issue false data. So it's a tough one for
people to get through. Without the Internet, it would probably be over
by now.
FULFORD: It is the Internet and websites like yours that help people
like me figure out what is going on.
RENSE: Well, thank you.
FULFORD: What happened to me was I got exposed to the corruption in
Japan. I started as a financial journalist, and I realized that all
the bad debt was controlled by gangsters, which really didn't make
sense. Hundreds of billions of dollars, controlled by gangsters?
So I went and I started talking to the gangsters - the Japanese
gangsters. And they told me they were middle men. They take a 30
percent commission. I said, "How are the billions of dollars
disappearing somewhere? "
I followed the thread and realized the Japanese government was totally
corrupt. Everything we were reading about in the Japanese newspapers
was a lie. I wrote two chapters of a book that was going to be so
explosive, and it was in English - that I would have to either leave
Japan or be killed.
I sent them to my agent. The next day I get a call from the
granddaughter of the Meiji emperor. Out of the blue! She said, "You
know, you should not get the Yakuza angry." Right?
And she told me that a goddess had called to intervene, and to tell me
[this]. It turned out that the 'goddess' was the Japanese security
police. They obviously had been looking at my email. But they said,
"You don't understand what's really going on." She gave me this Dave
vonKleist (ph) video, In Plane Site.
As soon as she gave me that, I said, "Oh, no, no, no. This is anti-
Semitic nonsense. I'm not going to watch this. How can this lady, she
is a princess - how can she believe stuff like this?"
She kept bugging me, so I watched it. I've been an investigative
journalist for twenty years. I know the difference between true
information and BS. So I started a long term of research.
Once I was sure this was a government plot, my next thought was, "Oh
my God, how could it be so big? This is too huge to comprehend. The
amount of people that would have to be involved is vast!"
Then the truth is so big, and so horrendous, that people just hide
from it. I basically think you have to go all the way back, as I said,
to Hammurabi - the original Babylonian dictator. The cult of
leader****p. The Freemasons, their history goes right back there. It's
a collective of slave drivers.
These are the people who literally did have people make pyramids. And
they controlled them by controlling their food supply. And now they
control them by controlling their money supply.
Their history is so long, and their techniques are so sophisticated.
Folklore has been aware of these people. They have called them
different names over the years. Beelzebub. Mammon. Set. Lucifer.
Satan.
But there is nothing otherworldly or metaphysical about them. This is
a real group of people. An ancient sect of Babylonian slave drivers.
And that's the hard truth. They want to enslave the entire planet.
That's what they're trying to do - and we must stop them.
People have to know. This is how deep you have to go in history. I
believe Jesus Christ was a rebel against these people. He was one of
their enemies, because he said all men are created equal, and free
before God, and you should love thy neighbor. Stuff like that. And
take care of the poor.
RENSE: Other great beings have issued the same message, of course, in
history.
FULFORD: Absolutely. Mohammed, I think, kicked them out of a huge
[area] - the Islamic world, basically. Czarist Russia fought them for
a very long time, and now they are free again. There are a lot of free
countries. Italy should come out with the pizza (ph) P2 scandal.
That's a great scandal to look at to see what's going on.
RENSE: People over in the States don't know anything about that. That
was a monumental development, a monumental watershed in Italian
history.
Hammurabi, Abraham, a secret Jewish sect, a Zionist sect becoming an
Illuminati sect. What about that? How do we... you're going all the
way back, so...
FULFORD: You have to follow the thread. If you think about what Moses
did, this is my understanding of it. They dumped a lot of poisonous
red mineral into the Nile River. And that poisoned the crops. That's
why you have the story of the Nile running red.
It was a slave revolt. He was... it was a fight between two different
slave drivers. He was using eco-terrorism. He slaughtered lots of
Egyptians and eventually lost. They fled into what is now Israel. They
were then kicked out by the Romans and scattered all over the place.
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RENSE: Is this the same group, Ben, that has been kicked out by
virtually every developed society on record?
FULFORD: Yes. The Jews have been enslaved by them, but it's not a
Jewish thing, really. It's more secret than that. They are hidden even
from the Jews.
RENSE: When you study World War II, and the involvement of Zionism
with the holocaust, we see it quite clearly. Stand by just for a
minute or two. We have to take a break. We will come right back with
Mr. Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. Let's get right back to Mr. Ben Fulford, talking about
some pretty amazing things. His great grandfather, a benefactor of
Nikola Tesla, was murdered for his efforts.
Tesla, it is said by some, was kept basically in the last several
decades of his life, almost a prisoner, in a way. All of his work was
watched. It was a pretty unfortunate way to end a brilliant life like
that, for one of the great men in history.
FULFORD: Yes. The 20th century was a total tragedy. It should have
been... humanity was on the verge of something like a Cambrian
explosion.
When you have unlimited free energy, the possibilities are so mind-
boggling that you can't even fully understand. It would be just
wonderful. It would be like everyone is a billionaire!
RENSE: Well, the potential is there, you're right, to create the
beginning, and in fact establish a Golden Age for humanity in the last
century. But instead, how many millions, a hundred million died in
wars? At least.
FULFORD: At least 100 million. The Americans killed I don't know how
many tens of millions after the war. And more im****tantly, they
suppressed technology.
RENSE: Oh, there is so much there. We have had videos recently, Ben,
of one man. He's done a television station. He was able to pull
hydrogen right out of salt water and burn it right on the spot. The
energy is all there.
FULFORD: Yes. The Japanese had that technology 30 years ago!
RENSE: Right.
FULFORD: Another technology they have, that is being suppressed, is
you can generate unlimited energy by taking advantage of the
difference in temperature between the surface of the ocean and the
bottom.
RENSE: That's called geothermal exchange. Right.
FULFORD: Yes. You pump methane down to the bottom of the ocean. It
turns into liquid. Then it comes up and it turns into gas again, and
you get infinite electricity. And rivers run fresh water.
RENSE: And the same thing on land with geothermal. But yeah, there are
so many out there, and they are clearly all being mothballed and
locked away. They have no plans for us other than slavery. That's
their plan!
FULFORD: If you talk to that guy who burned water in Florida, just see
what's happened to him since. I think he's had some pretty troubling
visitors.
RENSE: They almost all seemingly do. Some have died unusually early
deaths as well. Others just vanish and you hope they have not been
killed. There are so many stories I have seen like this over the
years. They were pulling electricity out of the ground in the 1870s
and 80s, for goodness sakes. I mean, it's there.
FULFORD: Yeah. It's a crime. They are trying to lobotomize the human
race and stop human progress.
RENSE: They're doing a pretty good job of it. So far the Chinese, by
the way, had, as you know - I don't know if you remember the year. I
think it was about 2001. They had a goal of putting a television set
in every household in China - because that is the instrument of
oppression, of manipulation, of control, of conditioning, of shaping,
of molding.
FULFORD: Sure. But you know what? The Chinese have their own idea for
democracy. You cannot totally write it off. What they are saying is
the democracy using paper every four years is kind of low-tech and out
of date.
You can have real-time, live democracy on the Internet, through
opinion polls and chat rooms. That's a much better way of making sure
public opinion is reflected in public policy.
RENSE: Well, that's electronic. It's all something that can be
manipulated if it is electronic. But, you raise a good point. And if
it were somehow guaranteed to be legitimate, it would be fascinating.
Let me ask you a question. What do you and your backers think of
Vladimir Putin and Russia standing tall against the Rothschilds over
the issue of the missiles in Europe and other East-West problems?
They have refused now to extradite the Russian businessman who the
British - and Berezovsky, the Rothschilds - say was the murderer of
Litivinenko with Polonium 210. They want to extradite the man.
So there are really some very, very big power dynamics at work with
respect to Russia, their new technology, and Vladimir Putin, who is
stepping down next year, although many Russians would prefer he stay,
I would suggest. But what do you think of it?
FULFORD: I think what he's done is great. He kicked out Berezovsky.
By the way, my friend and the former Forbes Moscow bureau chief was
shot ten times in Russia, taken to the hospital and died in the
elevator. The elevator stopped, and it was stuck for eight minutes.
That's where he died - and he was investigating Berezovsky before he
died. We don't know if Berezovsky did it, but I suspect him.
These were all Rockefeller / Rothschild proxies. Berezovsky,
Khorokovsky (ph), and Eslin (ph). By kicking them out, he freed
Russia. This is a huge accomplishment.
There was a Japanese politician by the name of Koki I****i, who married
a Russian woman and was in close with the Russian government. He was
stabbed through the heart with a sword in front of his house. But
before he died, he was given a manuscript by Putin's former boss in
the KGB. He wanted it translated into Japanese, to let people know
what happened in Russia - how they freed [their country] from these
Illuminati.
Although the book hasn't been translated into Japanese yet, his
daughter Tanya conveyed the gist of it to me. So I know that Putin is
not an Illuminati agent.
We will be making contact with Putin later, and maybe he will hear
through this that we have a secret, six million man army that is
willing to align with him to put an end to this madness.
RENSE: Well, quite clearly the Rothschilds and the Illuminati view
Russia as the prize that got away, and they want it back.
I think the ejection of the oligarchs that you've touched on, that
I've touched on and described in great detail with guests on this
program for a long time now - is one of the most im****tant geo-
political, socio-cultural, national issues of our time.
I mean, this is a monumental change, what happened in Russia!
FULFORD: Yeah. They have been free for the first time since 1917!
RENSE: And they remember who enslaved them, and who ground the life
out of them for nearly the better part of a century. And they don't
like those people at all.
FULFORD: Yeah. And we're going to ally with them. The other thing is I
believe the Japanese are also about to kick them out. And that will be
it. It will be the end for these people. I believe we are at the
endgame.
RENSE: That goes hand in hand with what you're saying about "they're
desperate."
FULFORD: Yes. If these people end, I think literally it would be such
a big change that it would be worth calling it the New Age. It really
would, because humanity would suddenly have so much potential freed.
These people, they are trying to lobotomize and suppress technology;
they distort academics and science.
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They fund all the academics to publish their propaganda, and ostracize
those who don't.
When we start reading New Scientist magazine, which is an orthodox
science magazine, about congressmen getting involved in trying to stop
someone who is researching desktop fusion, you realize something is
very wrong. It's like Galileo being called up in front of the
Inquisition.
What these people are doing is not only criminal, it's stupid! They
could be so much richer than they are now, and so much more powerful,
just by releasing all human potential.
RENSE: What they're doing is essentially killing the goose that is
laying the golden eggs for them. Your point is well taken. Stand by,
Ben, we'll take a break, and come right back in just a few minutes.
[Break]
RENSE: Okay. We're back. Ben, anybody who studies the larger issues of
"pulling the big scam" comes up with one of the most prominent
potential scenarios being the ET card, or the extraterrestrial
invasion trump card. The fake ET invasion, with some advanced
technology.
What do you know about... and anyone, I should hasten to add, who has
studied the issue of ET visitation honestly and objectively will come
away with the conclusion that it is quite obvious we are being visited
routinely and regularly by any number of different intelligent beings,
races, species. What is your take on it over there?
FULFORD: There is a guy who did the research years ago who said the
Universe is 14 billion years old, and it should have been filled up
with aliens long ago.
I am assuming, if I were an ET and I saw the planet Earth, I would
quarantine it.
RENSE: [Laughs] Or bring tourists here for a laugh, yeah.
FULFORD: But yeah, it's too dangerous. Also, it's a precious little
ecosystem, and they don't want to interfere. They want to let it
evolve according to its own wishes, but they would love humanity to
free themselves.
Now the Japanese Freemasons, who invited me to join, said there was a
planned rival of a fleet of UFOs. It sounded, to me, crazy - the
Rockefellers, you know, were going to secretly manufacture this fleet
of UFOs to fake an Armageddon and alien landing scenario.
So I would assume, if there are aliens out there watching us, they
feel sorry for us. They are hoping, cheering for us, hoping we can get
rid of these bastards. And then they will think that maybe the Earth
is safe enough that they can end the quarantine. That would be my take
on it. But I am not an expert in this field.
RENSE: I understand. It is a potential manipulating device that has
been talked about for years.
FULFORD: I interviewed [Admiral] Bobby Inman, former head of the NSA.
I asked him about the Rockefellers and the secret societies. Right
away, he said, "Are you a UFO guy?"
RENSE: That was one of the first things he said to you?
FULFORD: Yeah! I wasn't asking him about that. I was asking him about
the Rockefellers, the secret societies and the NSA, and their
relation****p - and he says, "Are you a UFO guy?"
So I think what they try to do is they try to put some really wacky
ideas [out there] and pack them all together with the real stuff, to
make people not believe it. So this stuff about reptilian people that
David Icke is pu****ng, I think that's disinformation made to turn most
people off from this whole idea that there is a vast conspiracy.
So I try to stay away from that, and stick to the planet Earth and
what I can see right in front of me. When the aliens come, if they
come, then it will be known to everybody.
RENSE: It is also known that the Chinese have an extraordinary number
of people who are actively investigating this particular issue. I
think one organization has over 50 thousand members. So they take it
very seriously over there.
FULFORD: Here in Japan too. There are a lot of our people who - there
is a place near Mount Fuji where they go to watch UFOs. They can see a
lot of them. There are a lot of weird movies. I think there is a
military secret testing ground there too, where they can see some of
these.
Remember, they also use the UFO story to hide...
RENSE: All kinds of technology. It's a perfect screen.
FULFORD: Sure. The Stealth planes they were flying for 20 years before
they announced them to the public. Who knows what they have got? So
you have to be very careful with this stuff. I try to make sure that I
talk in a way within the parameters of people in the mainstream...
RENSE: You have to. If you're going to be a smart and effective
journalist, you have to.
What else did Inman say? He, of course, of the SAIC fame. That's CIA's
backwards, with an S. That's the cor****ation he was in.
FULFORD: Interesting. He said a lot of stuff. He was a member of the
Trilateral Commission. This comes up in a lot of these conspiracy
theories. I've talked to members of the Trilateral Commission.
What happened was that Bilderberg was racist. So the Rockefellers said
"We need something where we can talk to the Japanese in secret too."
The Bilderbergers didn't want them in their club, which was a white
man's club. So they set up this other one.
But the Japanese who were members tell me they wouldn't even listen to
their advice anyway. So it is kind of dysfunctional, the Trilateral
Commission. Inman himself, he told me, "I was a member, but it was
pointless. It was powerless, so I quit."
RENSE: Really!
FULFORD: Yeah. But he said, "I am also a member of the Bohemian Grove.
Yeah, I go there every year and I give them my big spiel. We go there
to have fun. What's the harm?" That's the story he's giving me. Of
course he won't tell me what he said in his spiel, you know.
RENSE: Or talk about the owl, or the Cremation of Care, or any of the
other rituals.
FULFORD: He revealed their whole scenario of bioterrorism and
starvation...
RENSE: What did he say about bioterrorism? Did he say it was a viable
thing and they were worried about it, or was he...
FULFORD: It was something they were worried about in the future,
together with starvation, you know?
RENSE: Hell, they could starve people right now if they want to!
FULFORD: Well, Africa's got this new wheat blight that is destroying
all their...
RENSE: Ah, listen. Monsanto and it's terminator seeds will make the
world its instant prisoner. Instant. And they're pu****ng it through
now. You have to buy the Monsanto seed every year, because your crops
can no longer seed themselves. Pretty clever control.
Then you've got genetic modification of crops, which we know now is
catastrophic for the health of laboratory rats and, in all likelihood,
people. The evidence continues to pile up about that. The Western diet
is a fatal diet, over time, for anybody who engages in it, or
virtually anyone. We know about all these things.
What about chemtrails and the spraying of the sky? We have not seen
any photographs ever of chemtrails from China, from Russia or from
India.
FULFORD: There's none in Japan either. They won't let 'em.
RENSE: All right. You know about that. So you know about that, and you
just said the Japanese won't allow it.
FULFORD: That's right.
RENSE: Okay.
FULFORD: They don't have that problem out here. But they do have a lot
of hormones pumped into their food supply, making men impotent.
RENSE: There are so many phyto-estrogens in processed food now,
processed soy and all kinds of foods that are causing all kinds of
problems in humans, and certainly in the amphibian world as we know.
FULFORD: You heard the story about Orientals having a small what-cha-
ma-call it. They put something in the makeup that women wore here
which leads the children to be born - the males - with small
genitalia.
RENSE: Really?
FULFORD: They've been actually trying to emasculate these people,
filling their systems with female hormones.
RENSE: It's said that they won't need the act of *** to procreate in
the near future anyhow. They'll just grow it in a laboratory, whatever
they want. If there's anyone around at that point anyhow.
So without your people being able to pull off their ultimatum - I'm
not saying they can or can't, I'm saying without that happening, it
would seem that the planet is in store for a hell of a population
reduction, continued environmental rape, pillage, plunder and looting,
and a potential complete collapse of the Earth's ecosystems.
FULFORD: Yes. That's what these people are doing. And they think they
are environmentalists. The way they want to preserve the environment
is by getting rid of excess people and creating wilderness zones.
RENSE: That's what Prince Philip said. If he could come back and
reincarnate as something, you know the story. [He would be a lethal
virus.]
FULFORD: You know, these people are very high [ranking]. I'll send you
later, I have a flowchart of the Illuminati power structure.
Just to get back to that whole thing of the people, once they were
spread around by the Romans, the secret society, they had useless
skills. Emperors loved to build monuments, and these people were
monument builders. And they were good at accounting, controlling the
finances.
So wherever they went, they made themselves favored with kings. So
their influence is everywhere. They had their secret society. And
again, this has nothing to do with Jews. This is a secret satanic
society, whose members are atheists.
RENSE: Arch-atheists.
FULFORD: They got control of some people in central Asia called the
Khazars.
RENSE: Oh yeah. I know they adopted Judaism in the ninth century. I
know the story.
FULFORD: They were attacked by the Mongols and the Russians, and their
elite. Part of them flooded into Europe...
RENSE: China, and the rest went into Europe. They split, pretty much.
FULFORD: Right. And the ones who went into Europe eventually
intermarried with the royal families. They got their big break when
they started financing all the royal families against Napoleon. They
since intermarried with all the older aristocracy, and have this group
of interbred families. And that's the Illuminati.
Their number one man is David Rockefeller. Number two and three are
Philip Rothschild and Jay Rockefeller. Just remember those three names
at the very least. Don't forget David, Lord Carollton (ph) in England.
We all know who they are. That's the thing about them.
RENSE: We have just two minutes. What is the role of the Catholic
Church in all of this, if any?
FULFORD: I believe the Catholic Church has been fighting them. I went
to a Jesuit university. These guys wear second-hand clothing and live
in shaggy apartments. The Freemasons I've met all have huge fortunes,
and look like pigs. That tells me a lot.
I think the Catholic Church has been fighting them, and I think
they'll be an im****tant ally with Russia.
RENSE: Well, I don't know. It's interesting to see them talking about
Tony Blair's formal conversion to Catholicism, and [how] the Pope is
going to name him to be the Papal envoy for peace in Jerusalem. If
there's any truth to that story, which was all widely circulated,
that's getting pretty weird.
FULFORD: The Roman Catholic Church is a huge organization with many
factions. I'm sure they are heavily infiltrated.
RENSE: Mm hm.
FULFORD: But I do not believe the entire institution is corrupted. But
I don't know. I'm not a Catholic. My parents are atheist, I am
agnostic. [Actually] I'm not agnostic; I believe God is too big to fit
into any particular religion.
RENSE: Well, you bet. I'll second that. We're just about out of time,
Ben. Anything you want to leave us with on this visit tonight?
FULFORD: Yes. Just remember - these people are for real and just
remember. Get the eye. That's the secret. Grab the eye and humanity
will be free. That's the message.
RENSE: All right. Thank you very much, Ben Fulford, for being here. I
look forward to another conversation. If I can help you, let me know.
FULFORD: Thanks. It has been a great honor.
RENSE: Thank you sir. Good night.
FULFORD: Bye.
RENSE: Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo. There's a conversation to
remember. Do read Henry Makow, Ph.D.'s article at <http://rense.com/
>Rense.com. Just think about it.
As I often say, there is a lot to think about. And that is certainly
something unique and something I've not heard before.
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Again, it merits revisiting that probably more than a few of you out
there are saying, "Wouldn't that be nice if everything could change,
with no one having to die?"
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