For Gods sake man, get a brain,
he was fighting hillbillies like george bush and that incompetent leader
you
have
hillbillies the scourge of america
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> Post subject: Rebel Flag Posted: Jul 28, 2004 - 11:16 AM
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> This letter was in the 7/27 issue of Souther Heritage News and Views,
put
out by Chuck Demastus. demastus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What caused me to sit up and take
notice was that this is not written by an American, but a Belgian, who
"has
no dog in this fight".
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> From: temmerman.johan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: dadderton@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Dear Mr Adderton,
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> Truly it is a relief to see some common sense displayed in the ongoing
debate over the Confederate (battle) flag. Seen from this distance (in
both
time and space, because I am a European) the never-ending tug of war over
the Confederate flag is a source of amazement. Have you ever stopped to
wonder why, of all the 19th century conflicts, only the war between North
and South in America continues to generate controversy, headlines, and to
spawn literature and re-enactor associations? There are no Sons of
Napoleonic Veterans, and hardly anyone remembers the Franco-Prussian
conflict, though these wars had far-reaching consequences for Europe and
the
rest of the world, America included. The long, tedious struggle for
equality
for blacks, as well as the current hostility to Confederate symbols and
anything and anyone Southern, which your article referred to, is connected
to this remarkable fact.
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> The link between them is that the historically unique American
experiment
in republican, limited self-government by states forming a voluntary union
which began in 1776, ended in 1861 when a ruthless megalomaniac bent on
sadd
ling America with a strong centralised government, high taxes, a
military-industrial complex and the ambitions of empire ascended to the
Presidency, and waged war on the Southern half of the country which had
hitherto thwarted the schemes of the Whigs Alexander Hamilton and Henry
Clay. That war was then without precedent in that it attacked military and
civilian targets alike without discrimination, the invasion of the South
causing over 600,000 deaths and destroying 40% of the national economy.
Rejecting all domestic and foreign peace overtures, four years of
overwhelming force succeeded in subjugating a smaller nation, leaving an
indelible legacy of atrocity, occupation, abuse, exploitation, and
subsequent racial hatred.
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> The Great Emancipator cleverly used the cloak of “freeing the slaves” to
sell his agenda both in the North and abroad, though certainly not all
were
fooled at the time: Charles Dickens, for one, saw that the true reason for
the “Civil War” - which neither you nor I learned in school - was in fact
the tariff, paid for by the South for the North’s benefit. That it took
over
a century for blacks to gain the equality which is their birthright is an
ironic and unforgivable legacy not of slavery (which, being untenable and
uneconomic, was on its way out – witness the many instances of compensated
emancipation in other societies in the first half of the 19th century) but
of Reconstruction, a misnomer for the brutal military occupation,
political
subjugation and economic exploitation of the devasted and conquered
territories of the South. One of the instruments of this subjugation was
the
political abuse of illiterate freed black slaves in what amounted to mock
parliaments that laid the basis for much of the immorality of racial
discrimination against blacks which was the aftermath of war in the
disenfranchised South. Remember that, decades before the war and in the
midst of the slavery period, Alexis de Toqueville remarked that “race
relations seem better in the South than in the North”. His observations
are
beyond reproach, and beyond the reach of modern-day political correctness.
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> Sadly, what is almost just as disturbing as the needlessly long road
toward equality for blacks is that this adequately documented history is
not
even being taught in America’s schools. The lie that “the Union came
before
the States” (the States created the Union), the myth that Lincoln freed
the
slaves (the Emancipation Declaration was a mere politico-military
expedient
without social aims), the fable that the Civil War was fought over the
liberation of blacks (it was fought over the tax revenue, the issue of
political overrepresentation of whites in the South via the presence of
blacks which counted for 3/5ths of a “white” vote, and the issue of
“internal improvements” meaning government subsidies for corrupt big
business) all go virtually unchallenged in schools and the media today.
Yet
these facts are known to me. They are readily available to all who can
read.
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> The reasons why the Confederacy continues to attract adherents at home
and
abroad, continues to generate controversy, and continues to inspire
debate,
is the fight for historical truth, and the honest yet virtually hopeless
desire of many to, one day, return to limited, responsible, republican,
liberty-respecting government for all, because no one but the looney
fringe
is interested in discriminating on the basis of colour. The days of
slavery
are gone for ever and good riddance – precisely the sentiment expressed,
by
the way, in the diary of a Southern lady during the Civil War itself -
please read Mary Chesnut’s “A Diary from Dixie”.
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> The fight you referred to in your article is not over a piece of red
cloth. Symbols are im****tant, but less so than the things they stand for.
The fight is not about whether or not the Confederate flag today stands
for
sup****ters of slavery or denial of the rights of blacks – that is just
preposterous. If black students react this way, it is because of a lack of
education. Teach them about race relations in the North as late as 1868.
The
fight is about the South’s right to have its history recognised, its
struggle for independence from a centralised, tax-minded, empire-bent
government recognised. The Confederacy lost that struggle. That is evident
when you watch the news today, for America has become everything the South
fought against, to the dismay of many, on both sides of the Atlantic, who
love the promise of that unique experiment that was extinguished forever
at
Appomatox in 1865. America, and the world, is the poorer for it.
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> Best regards,
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> Johan Temmerman
> Oudenaarde, Belgium
> Link to article Mr. Temmerman was referring to -
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=12419041&BRD=2038&PAG=461&dept_id=
333461&rfi=6
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> "Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether
there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious
liberty."
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> Yes_to_Dixie
> Post subject: Posted: Aug 03, 2004 - 12:41 PM
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> Good article. There's a young columnist over at dixieinternet named
Reinout Temmerman. I am assuming he is Johan's son.
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> ''All that the South has ever desired was that the Union as established
by
our fathers should be preserved, and that the government as originally
organized should be administered in purity and truth.'' -Robert E. Lee
1866
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> thomasfwilliams
> Post subject: Posted: Mar 16, 2005 - 11:28 AM
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> I wish to say I would like Christian Exodus as an organization to
design
a flag which includes everyone. The history as laid out by the author of
the
letter is correct and unassailable. But, as a Christian organization we
should reach out to all Christians and not alienate them through the use
of
something which symbolizes the degradation of their ethnicity. We are
looking for a fresh start in the world, a new beginning to get a
representative republic which functions correctly; let's start with a new
symbol for this movement, not a retread of past differences.
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> bettered
> Post subject: Posted: Mar 16, 2005 - 03:35 PM
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> Instead of responding to posts that are 6 to 8 months old Thomas, and
with respect, you should check out the suggestions in the heading "Submit
your Graphics."
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> The website has had a tumultuous start, inundated with opinions of every
stripe imaginable. Most of that has now been put to rest, and we have
become
much more mutually sup****tive and committed to the goals as laid out in
the
Position Statement and Plan of Action, absent a lot of useless noise, pun
intended.
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> ChristianPatriot
> Post subject: Posted: Aug 02, 2005 - 11:58 PM
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> Please don't refer to the Confederate flag as the 'rebel' flag. We were
not the rebels, THEY were.
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> nitro
> Post subject: Posted: Dec 29, 2005 - 09:02 PM
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> Well Well Well
> The rebel flag debate. Where can I start? The deaths? The lies? The
stigma? The future? Lay down the dixie in ole SC you say? Lay down your
beleif? What it offends due to the lies? May God bless the St Andrews
cross
and the stars of statehood in this im****tant journey.One day I hope to see
our Dixie flag flying over a federaliized nation over christian states,
but
until I do, I will work for the goal at hand and to assemble under our
christian flag with the knowledge that when like minded christians truely
govern themselves they can have that utopia that flows with milk and
honey.Our past proves that we as americans don't deserve to be the most
blessed nation in the world.May God forgive Sodum and return Adam to the
garden unless he judges America.
> May you be strong on your journey and keep God close as we travel
through
realization of what God will do to honor our commitment.
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> and to comment on the post of not using the rebel flag:
> As for this South Carolinian, we shall "never take it down"
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