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> > Genaro wrote:
> >> monkey_cartman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > CliffB wrote:
> >> >> by her party. One by one they are jumping off and
> >> >> trampled her largish butt on the way to getting on
> >> >> Obama's bandwagon. The ingratitude is remarkable. The NY
> >> >> Post is right: she is "TOAST". Bill Clinton too, who
> >> >> emerges from this scuffle labelled an over the hill,
> >> >> irritable, even irrational hillbilly racist. He's done.
> >> >>
> >> > Hillary has proved herself not worthy and is willfully
> >> > incapable of serving the people. She is all talk and that
> >> > falls short of having any meaning. Bill lost all my
> >> > respect also because his political attitude has turned
> >> > bad when he found that the people don't give absolute
> >> > loyalty to the Clinton 'name.' Obama wouldn't be popular
> >> > if he didn't actually have substance. This may seem
> >> > strange but people really do vote for real reasons.
> >> > Loyalty should never be absolute to those who don't serve
> >> > our interests.
> >> >
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> >> If you have the right audience you can be popular and not
> >> say anything. Like Limbaugh said, Obama is saying nothing
> >> better than anyone has said nothing in a long time. Many do
> >> not vote for real reasons and loyalty should be given only
> >> on rare occasions -- certainly not to a rookie politician.
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> > My loyalty is to who I think is the best candidate to serve
> > the people, that loyalty can change at the drop of a hat. I
> > even liked some of the Republicans and McCan lost my respect
> > when he flipped on his position on use of torture. Not
> > because I am against it's use, I think there could be
> > situations that it may save the day, I lost my respect when
> > he changed his moral principles on the issue. I pay pretty
> > close attention to congress, have since the C-SPAN came out.
> > One person of all the years in particular stood out better
> > than even the most seasoned politicians. That was Obama,
> > that was before he announced he was running for president.
> >
> > Hillary lost a lot of the magic Clinton Loyalty because
> > people see something new in Obama and the same old
> > politician speak in Hillary. He has not necessarily said
> > anything new he had a terrible time with the preacher deal
> > but recently he made a speech that had that new reasons that
> > people like him in the first place..
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> I won't quibble on your use of the word "loyalty" except to say
> that I hope you don't dispense your trust as easily. I believe
> McCain retains his moral principles as he is considering the
> protection of the many rather than the one or the few.
NO, my trust, like when Bill Clinton took us into military strikes and
actions I was very distrustful of his motives, saying great a war
president. He made his speech and his motives and I was convinced his
motives were genuine for the most part if not completely sincere.
Likewise with Sr. Bush is was distrustful then confident that we were
in good hands.
When Bill wagged his finger about the Lewinsky deal I was very angry,
I could tell he was lying. I was for his impeachment but soon found
the exercise of impeachment to restore the ethics of principals to be
nothing but a political strategy to smear the entire Democrat
party.
My trust of Obama wasn't and isn't absolute. The property thing was
troubling.
> When you say "one person..stood out", I don't know what that
> means. If a congressman was in session dressed in a clown's
> outfit he or she would also stand out. Why did Obama stand out?
> Appearance, speaking ability, substance in his words, skin
> color, what?
His speaking ability but one that was his speaking in terms of the
need of restoring our constitutional principals and ethics in
government. That is something that is unique in government.
We have a Denver mayor who before the elections spoke in much the same
manners. I was skeptical because
the last Mayor was horribly corrupt for the city.
I truly believe I see that same energy and integrity in the politician
Obama. I believe he speaks for 'the people.' Many may think liberals
believe when liberals say 'the people' they think in terms of
handouts, etc. I believe if most think and feel as I do, they believe
a government is supposed to be one of the people by the people. I
believe Obama is one of those people.
> When the Clinton's first grabbed the public's attention in the
> early '90s not much was known about them either, but we learned
> and how. We're still learning about the Obamas and how far left
> he goes. His liberal voting record already puts him way over
> there. Foreign policy ideas revealed to this point are unwise
> in my opinion. His tax and spend promises will hurt the economy
> and I doubt Congress will be able to stop or even limit him.
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I believe there is no prefect politician, well Mayor Hickenlooper of
Denver might be close, I believe he is still a hit with Republicans
also. Business has never been better, businesses in disrepair and
vacant have new life. He owns a very popular Brewery and popular local
rester aunt\bars. I have always had some respect for McCain but I
liked some of the other Republicans better. But unless Clinton or
McCain show me something dynamic it will be obama.
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