Blue wrote:
> Viejo Vizcacha wrote:
>> On May 3, 9:31 pm, sizy_one <sim...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>> Only tyrants and oligarchs together with die hard fascists left over
>>> from WW11 and out of date Marxists cream in their pants when the eu
>>> is mentioned.
>>
>>
>> Not really. Anyone who is familiar with European history, knows very
>> well that Europeans were at each other throats for thousands of
>> years, and after WWII a few of them got together to start the EU,
>> with the basic objective of avoiding wars. Only war mongers and
>> suckers of Yankee cock would like to go back to the bad old days.
>
>
> It goes something like, no one under 50 has had a vote on Europe.
Nor on most things that form part of UK law and society. We don't revote
things everytime a new generation is born you know.
> When we did get a vote it was for some called the 'common market'.
No it was called the European Economic Community.
> Since then, with out any more referendum it's snowballed from
> some market to some united states of Europe.
I hardly think 'snowballed' is the apposite word. It has been a long and
difficult process for the EU to get where it is.
> A vote on this ever changing body is long overdue.
> Especially as this new treaty will allow polictians to totally
> ingor the British public. No more treaties will be needed.
> We will giving Europe permision to make new laws as it pleases.
In case you are not aware of it, which you seem not to be, European laws
are suggested by the representatives of the member countries, including
the UK of course, and voted on by democratically elected MEPs.
> This is the last fight. That's why after this treaty was rejected
> so often it came back with a different name and the leaders just
> decided they wouldn't put it to the people of their respective
> nations.
The Lisbon treaty has never been rejected. The proposed Constitution was
rejected. If you can't get your facts straight then sod off for you
have nothing useful to say.
>
> You mention America as though forign inffluence is a bad thing.
And you mention the EU in exactly the same terms. Do make up your mind.
> Well that being so, European nations that out number Britain
> in many places including voting rights
One nation only outnumbers the UK in voting rights and that is Germany
for the simple reason that its population is about a fifth greater.
> will go from 75% control
> of Britain to a 100%. How can you say US influence is worse
> than European total control is beyond me.
I'd rather any eventuial outside influence come from people who share
the same culture, not from a land 5000 kilometres away that shares very
little of our outlook on the world and is pretty ignorant on the whole.
> The 'common market' vote may well have been a pretext to peace
> in Europe, it's long term goal may well have been to make
> Britain some Switzerland. However, if Britian is to wave the
> white flag in the face of a European take over. Because that's
> what it is. We are saying no more fights, we're waving the white flag.
Tosh, and BTW Britain is a large island that forms the major part of the
United Kingdom which includes this island, the offshore islands and
Northern Ireland. Britain is not the UK
> If that is the case, then that is the argument that should be put
> to the people. We should have a referendum and our surrender to
> Europe.
Only you and your loony friends consider it surrender, normal people
consider it political and social progress.
> Otherwise the politcial elite will be know for ever more as
> those who sold Britain out, from under our noses, for our 'own good'.
> And they will be forever more hated for it.
Dream on.
> Once you have politicians taking power out of the poeple's hands
> where does it end. It was not the common people who wanted to
> fight others, it was when they were told to do so by their 'leaders'.
That's the way it has always been, the 'people' wield no direct power,
they just vote for others to do so on their behalf.
> If the three main parties have so stitched up the system in Britain
> as to sell our souls to the Europeans then the people need some
> political monopolies commision.
They can vote for the BNP or UKIP of course, or some other loony party
of
that ilk. Oh silly me, they have just done so with the magnificent
result of a whole ten or so council seats gained out of several thousand
possibles. Obvious then that the people of the United Kingdom think they
are the best thing since sliced bread.
Bwahahaha
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