On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:31:16 -0700, "Iconoclast"
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>"Starkiller©" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:03:15 -0700, "Iconoclast"
>> <Iconoclast@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> 9-year old suspended for 'hate crime'
>>>> Robert Anglen The Arizona Republic
>>>> Nov. 27, 2007 03:05 PM
>>>>
>>>> A Glendale elementary school principal has admitted to telling a
9-year
>>>> old boy that
>>>> it is OK to have racist feelings as long as you keep them to
yourself.
>>>>
>>>> "As we said to (the boy) when he was in here, in your heart you may
have
>>>> that
>>>> feeling, and that is OK if that is your personal belief," Abraham
>>>> Lincoln
>>>> Traditional
>>>> School Principal Virginia Voinovich said in a tape-recorded
>>>> parent-teacher
>>>> conference.
>>>>
>>>> The boy was suspended for three days this month for allegedly
committing
>>>> a
>>>> "hate
>>>> crime" by using the expression "brown people."
>>>>
>>>> In an interview Monday, Voinovich would not address her comments,
first
>>>> saying she
>>>> didn't remember the incident, then demanding a copy of the recording
and
>>>> finally
>>>> insisting that she could not talk about a student's discipline.
>>>>
>>>> The cir***stances of the boy's suspension itself raise troubling
>>>> questions
>>>> about
>>>> student discipline, interrogation and oversight at Abraham Lincoln.
>>>>
>>>> According to school officials, the boy made a statement about "brown
>>>> people" to
>>>> another elementary student with whom he was having a conflict. They
>>>> maintain it was
>>>> his second offense using the phrase.
>>>>
>>>> But the tape recording indicates this only came out after another
parent
>>>> was allowed
>>>> to question the boy and elicited from him the statement that he
"doesn't
>>>> cooperate
>>>> with brown people."
>>>>
>>>> After that was re****ted to the boy's teacher, he was made to stand in
>>>> front of his
>>>> class and publicly confess what he'd said.
>>>>
>>>> The boy maintains that he never said it; that the words were put in
his
>>>> mouth by the
>>>> parent who questioned him. That parent happens to be the mother of
the
>>>> student with
>>>> whom he is having a conflict-and she happens to work for Abraham
Lincoln
>>>> as a
>>>> detention-room officer.
>>>>
>>>> The tape indicates that rather than just spouting off with racial
>>>> invective, the boy
>>>> was asked first why he didn't want to cooperate with brown people by
the
>>>> parent/school official.
>>>>
>>>> In court, this might be called entrapment. Not to mention a conflict
of
>>>> interest.
>>>>
>>>> Officials at the Wa****ngton Elementary School District, who are
supposed
>>>> to oversee
>>>> Voinovich, wouldn't comment about the boy's suspension. They said
only
>>>> the
>>>> principal
>>>> is qualified to talk about it.
>>>>
>>>> Well, the boy's mother is talking, and she is angry. She has also
>>>> removed
>>>> her son
>>>> from the school.
>>>>
>>>> "I want parents to know . that principals can abuse their powers,"
>>>> Sherry
>>>> Neve, 35,
>>>> said. "Principals need to have pro-active supervisors. I want the
>>>> parents
>>>> to know
>>>> that the principal was influencing my son in a way I wouldn't want
him
>>>> to
>>>> be raised."
>>>> Neve said school officials didn't advise her of the incident until
>>>> several
>>>> days after
>>>> they questioned her son. When Neve objected to the suspension during
the
>>>> conference,
>>>> Voinovich told her that she didn't have any rights; that parents give
up
>>>> their rights
>>>> to discipline when they send a child to school, the tape shows.
>>>>
>>>> "If you don't want that, you can take him out of here," Voinovich
said
>>>> tersely.
>>>>
>>>> Neve insists that her son is not a racist and that he never
>>>> differentiated
>>>> a person's
>>>> color until the school made it in an issue.
>>>>
>>>> "We were raised to be color blind," she said. "My children were
raised
>>>> the
>>>> same way."
>>>> But let's assume for a minute that the boy actually made the comment.
>>>> Does
>>>> this make
>>>> him a racist and guilty of a hate crime? Or does it make him a
confused
>>>> 9-year-old in
>>>> need of counseling?
>>>>
>>>> Instead of taking an op****tunity to educate the boy and get to the
root
>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>> problem, the principal taught him another lesson altogether: It's OK
to
>>>> feel like a
>>>> racist as long as you keep your feelings to yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Kids often say the darndest things. Apparently, so do principals.
>>>>
>>>
>>>This is the kind of mental terrorism one would have expected during the
>>>Cultural Revolution in Red China or in Vietnam after the fall of Saigon
or
>>>in Stalinist Russia. I hope the boy had a nice 3 day vacation and
enjoyed
>>>his brief freedom from the indoctrination camp. Since when did
mentioning
>>>the color of a person's skin become a thought crime?
>>>
>> It happened around the same time that having fingernail clippers
>> became carrying a concealed weapon and having Rolaids became carrying
>> drugs to school.
>>
>
>Thank you. It would appear that the attacks on 9/11 coincided with some
>kind of coup d'etat then. Certainly the people running our Dept. of
>Education and the public schools (sic) act more like Marxists and enemy
>combatants than like patriotic Americans. If the boy had mentioned white
>skinned people, would he have been charged with hate speech?
>
Only if he mentioned them in a positive fa****on.
Then they would say that he was demeaning those that weren't white.
This **** is so silly. If the founding fathers had all acted the way
folks do today well.........I'd probably be hunting buffalo somewhere
and living in a TeePee 'cause ya'll white folks wouldn't have stood a
chance. :-)
Just kiddin' about the TeePee. My ancesters had houses since they
weren't migratory.
Regards
Starkiller©
"Eta Kooram Nah Smech!"
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