On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:26:45 -0500, "Scruffy McScruffovitch"
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>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:31:16 -0700, "Iconoclast"
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>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:03:15 -0700, "Iconoclast"
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>>>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> 9-year old suspended for 'hate crime'
>>>>>> Robert Anglen The Arizona Republic
>>>>>> Nov. 27, 2007 03:05 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Glendale elementary school principal has admitted to telling a
>>>>>> 9-year old boy that
>>>>>> it is OK to have racist feelings as long as you keep them to
>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "As we said to (the boy) when he was in here, in your heart you
>>>>>> may have that
>>>>>> feeling, and that is OK if that is your personal belief," Abraham
>>>>>> Lincoln
>>>>>> Traditional
>>>>>> School Principal Virginia Voinovich said in a tape-recorded
>>>>>> parent-teacher
>>>>>> conference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The boy was suspended for three days this month for allegedly
>>>>>> committing a
>>>>>> "hate
>>>>>> crime" by using the expression "brown people."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In an interview Monday, Voinovich would not address her comments,
>>>>>> first saying she
>>>>>> didn't remember the incident, then demanding a copy of the
>>>>>> recording and finally
>>>>>> insisting that she could not talk about a student's discipline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cir***stances of the boy's suspension itself raise troubling
>>>>>> questions
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> student discipline, interrogation and oversight at Abraham
>>>>>> Lincoln.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to school officials, the boy made a statement about
>>>>>> "brown people" to
>>>>>> another elementary student with whom he was having a conflict.
>>>>>> They maintain it was
>>>>>> his second offense using the phrase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the tape recording indicates this only came out after another
>>>>>> parent was allowed
>>>>>> to question the boy and elicited from him the statement that he
>>>>>> "doesn't cooperate
>>>>>> with brown people."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After that was re****ted to the boy's teacher, he was made to
>>>>>> stand in front of his
>>>>>> class and publicly confess what he'd said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The boy maintains that he never said it; that the words were put
>>>>>> in his mouth by the
>>>>>> parent who questioned him. That parent happens to be the mother
>>>>>> of the student with
>>>>>> whom he is having a conflict-and she happens to work for Abraham
>>>>>> Lincoln as a
>>>>>> detention-room officer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The tape indicates that rather than just spouting off with racial
>>>>>> invective, the boy
>>>>>> was asked first why he didn't want to cooperate with brown people
>>>>>> by the parent/school official.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In court, this might be called entrapment. Not to mention a
>>>>>> conflict of interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Officials at the Wa****ngton Elementary School District, who are
>>>>>> supposed to oversee
>>>>>> Voinovich, wouldn't comment about the boy's suspension. They said
>>>>>> only the
>>>>>> principal
>>>>>> is qualified to talk about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the boy's mother is talking, and she is angry. She has also
>>>>>> removed
>>>>>> her son
>>>>>> from the school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I want parents to know . that principals can abuse their powers,"
>>>>>> Sherry
>>>>>> Neve, 35,
>>>>>> said. "Principals need to have pro-active supervisors. I want the
>>>>>> parents
>>>>>> to know
>>>>>> that the principal was influencing my son in a way I wouldn't
>>>>>> want him to
>>>>>> be raised."
>>>>>> Neve said school officials didn't advise her of the incident until
>>>>>> several
>>>>>> days after
>>>>>> they questioned her son. When Neve objected to the suspension
>>>>>> during the conference,
>>>>>> Voinovich told her that she didn't have any rights; that parents
>>>>>> give up their rights
>>>>>> to discipline when they send a child to school, the tape shows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If you don't want that, you can take him out of here," Voinovich
>>>>>> said tersely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neve insists that her son is not a racist and that he never
>>>>>> differentiated
>>>>>> a person's
>>>>>> color until the school made it in an issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We were raised to be color blind," she said. "My children were
>>>>>> raised the
>>>>>> same way."
>>>>>> But let's assume for a minute that the boy actually made the
>>>>>> comment. Does
>>>>>> this make
>>>>>> him a racist and guilty of a hate crime? Or does it make him a
>>>>>> confused 9-year-old in
>>>>>> need of counseling?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of taking an op****tunity to educate the boy and get to
>>>>>> the root of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> problem, the principal taught him another lesson altogether: It's
>>>>>> OK to feel like a
>>>>>> racist as long as you keep your feelings to yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kids often say the darndest things. Apparently, so do principals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the kind of mental terrorism one would have expected
>>>>> during the Cultural Revolution in Red China or in Vietnam after
>>>>> the fall of Saigon or in Stalinist Russia. I hope the boy had a
>>>>> nice 3 day vacation and enjoyed his brief freedom from the
>>>>> indoctrination camp. Since when did mentioning the color of a
>>>>> person's skin become a thought crime?
>>>>>
>>>> It happened around the same time that having fingernail clippers
>>>> became carrying a concealed weapon and having Rolaids became
>>>> carrying drugs to school.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you. It would appear that the attacks on 9/11 coincided with
>>> some kind of coup d'etat then. Certainly the people running our
>>> Dept. of Education and the public schools (sic) act more like
>>> Marxists and enemy combatants than like patriotic Americans. If the
>>> boy had mentioned white skinned people, would he have been charged
>>> with hate speech?
>>>
>> Only if he mentioned them in a positive fa****on.
>> Then they would say that he was demeaning those that weren't white.
>>
>> This **** is so silly. If the founding fathers had all acted the way
>> folks do today well.........I'd probably be hunting buffalo somewhere
>> and living in a TeePee 'cause ya'll white folks wouldn't have stood a
>> chance. :-)
>>
>> Just kiddin' about the TeePee. My ancesters had houses since they
>> weren't migratory.
>>
>
>I think those were commonly called a "Lodge". At least in English.
Nowadays when I hear the word "lodge" I thing of a bunch a fat drunk
guys with funny hats.
But yes, the southeastern tribes had lodges and there were individual
homes depending on the "town". I'm not real swift on the history of
the plains or NW tribes but I do know that there were tribes up in the
northeast that grew beards and built log homes.
Of course we never saw anything like that in movies or too many books
since that would have given the impression that they were civilized.
LOL
Regards
Starkiller©
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