On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:26:45 -0500, "Scruffy McScruffovitch"
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>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:31:16 -0700, "Iconoclast"
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>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:03:15 -0700, "Iconoclast"
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>>>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> 9-year old suspended for 'hate crime'
>>>>>> Robert Anglen The Arizona Republic
>>>>>> Nov. 27, 2007 03:05 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Glendale elementary school principal has admitted to telling a
>>>>>> 9-year old boy that
>>>>>> it is OK to have racist feelings as long as you keep them to
>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "As we said to (the boy) when he was in here, in your heart you
>>>>>> may have that
>>>>>> feeling, and that is OK if that is your personal belief," Abraham
>>>>>> Lincoln
>>>>>> Traditional
>>>>>> School Principal Virginia Voinovich said in a tape-recorded
>>>>>> parent-teacher
>>>>>> conference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The boy was suspended for three days this month for allegedly
>>>>>> committing a
>>>>>> "hate
>>>>>> crime" by using the expression "brown people."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In an interview Monday, Voinovich would not address her comments,
>>>>>> first saying she
>>>>>> didn't remember the incident, then demanding a copy of the
>>>>>> recording and finally
>>>>>> insisting that she could not talk about a student's discipline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cir***stances of the boy's suspension itself raise troubling
>>>>>> questions
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> student discipline, interrogation and oversight at Abraham
>>>>>> Lincoln.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to school officials, the boy made a statement about
>>>>>> "brown people" to
>>>>>> another elementary student with whom he was having a conflict.
>>>>>> They maintain it was
>>>>>> his second offense using the phrase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the tape recording indicates this only came out after another
>>>>>> parent was allowed
>>>>>> to question the boy and elicited from him the statement that he
>>>>>> "doesn't cooperate
>>>>>> with brown people."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After that was re****ted to the boy's teacher, he was made to
>>>>>> stand in front of his
>>>>>> class and publicly confess what he'd said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The boy maintains that he never said it; that the words were put
>>>>>> in his mouth by the
>>>>>> parent who questioned him. That parent happens to be the mother
>>>>>> of the student with
>>>>>> whom he is having a conflict-and she happens to work for Abraham
>>>>>> Lincoln as a
>>>>>> detention-room officer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The tape indicates that rather than just spouting off with racial
>>>>>> invective, the boy
>>>>>> was asked first why he didn't want to cooperate with brown people
>>>>>> by the parent/school official.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In court, this might be called entrapment. Not to mention a
>>>>>> conflict of interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Officials at the Wa****ngton Elementary School District, who are
>>>>>> supposed to oversee
>>>>>> Voinovich, wouldn't comment about the boy's suspension. They said
>>>>>> only the
>>>>>> principal
>>>>>> is qualified to talk about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the boy's mother is talking, and she is angry. She has also
>>>>>> removed
>>>>>> her son
>>>>>> from the school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I want parents to know . that principals can abuse their powers,"
>>>>>> Sherry
>>>>>> Neve, 35,
>>>>>> said. "Principals need to have pro-active supervisors. I want the
>>>>>> parents
>>>>>> to know
>>>>>> that the principal was influencing my son in a way I wouldn't
>>>>>> want him to
>>>>>> be raised."
>>>>>> Neve said school officials didn't advise her of the incident until
>>>>>> several
>>>>>> days after
>>>>>> they questioned her son. When Neve objected to the suspension
>>>>>> during the conference,
>>>>>> Voinovich told her that she didn't have any rights; that parents
>>>>>> give up their rights
>>>>>> to discipline when they send a child to school, the tape shows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If you don't want that, you can take him out of here," Voinovich
>>>>>> said tersely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neve insists that her son is not a racist and that he never
>>>>>> differentiated
>>>>>> a person's
>>>>>> color until the school made it in an issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We were raised to be color blind," she said. "My children were
>>>>>> raised the
>>>>>> same way."
>>>>>> But let's assume for a minute that the boy actually made the
>>>>>> comment. Does
>>>>>> this make
>>>>>> him a racist and guilty of a hate crime? Or does it make him a
>>>>>> confused 9-year-old in
>>>>>> need of counseling?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of taking an op****tunity to educate the boy and get to
>>>>>> the root of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> problem, the principal taught him another lesson altogether: It's
>>>>>> OK to feel like a
>>>>>> racist as long as you keep your feelings to yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kids often say the darndest things. Apparently, so do principals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the kind of mental terrorism one would have expected
>>>>> during the Cultural Revolution in Red China or in Vietnam after
>>>>> the fall of Saigon or in Stalinist Russia. I hope the boy had a
>>>>> nice 3 day vacation and enjoyed his brief freedom from the
>>>>> indoctrination camp. Since when did mentioning the color of a
>>>>> person's skin become a thought crime?
>>>>>
>>>> It happened around the same time that having fingernail clippers
>>>> became carrying a concealed weapon and having Rolaids became
>>>> carrying drugs to school.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you. It would appear that the attacks on 9/11 coincided with
>>> some kind of coup d'etat then. Certainly the people running our
>>> Dept. of Education and the public schools (sic) act more like
>>> Marxists and enemy combatants than like patriotic Americans. If the
>>> boy had mentioned white skinned people, would he have been charged
>>> with hate speech?
>>>
>> Only if he mentioned them in a positive fa****on.
>> Then they would say that he was demeaning those that weren't white.
>>
>> This **** is so silly. If the founding fathers had all acted the way
>> folks do today well.........I'd probably be hunting buffalo somewhere
>> and living in a TeePee 'cause ya'll white folks wouldn't have stood a
>> chance. :-)
>>
>> Just kiddin' about the TeePee. My ancesters had houses since they
>> weren't migratory.
>>
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>I think those were commonly called a "Lodge". At least in English.
......or Hogans.....AAC
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