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> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:26:45 -0500, "Scruffy McScruffovitch"
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>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:31:16 -0700, "Iconoclast"
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>>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:03:15 -0700, "Iconoclast"
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>>>>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> 9-year old suspended for 'hate crime'
>>>>>>> Robert Anglen The Arizona Republic
>>>>>>> Nov. 27, 2007 03:05 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Glendale elementary school principal has admitted to telling a
>>>>>>> 9-year old boy that
>>>>>>> it is OK to have racist feelings as long as you keep them to
>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "As we said to (the boy) when he was in here, in your heart you
>>>>>>> may have that
>>>>>>> feeling, and that is OK if that is your personal belief,"
>>>>>>> Abraham Lincoln
>>>>>>> Traditional
>>>>>>> School Principal Virginia Voinovich said in a tape-recorded
>>>>>>> parent-teacher
>>>>>>> conference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The boy was suspended for three days this month for allegedly
>>>>>>> committing a
>>>>>>> "hate
>>>>>>> crime" by using the expression "brown people."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In an interview Monday, Voinovich would not address her
>>>>>>> comments, first saying she
>>>>>>> didn't remember the incident, then demanding a copy of the
>>>>>>> recording and finally
>>>>>>> insisting that she could not talk about a student's discipline.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The cir***stances of the boy's suspension itself raise troubling
>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> student discipline, interrogation and oversight at Abraham
>>>>>>> Lincoln.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to school officials, the boy made a statement about
>>>>>>> "brown people" to
>>>>>>> another elementary student with whom he was having a conflict.
>>>>>>> They maintain it was
>>>>>>> his second offense using the phrase.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the tape recording indicates this only came out after
>>>>>>> another parent was allowed
>>>>>>> to question the boy and elicited from him the statement that he
>>>>>>> "doesn't cooperate
>>>>>>> with brown people."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After that was re****ted to the boy's teacher, he was made to
>>>>>>> stand in front of his
>>>>>>> class and publicly confess what he'd said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The boy maintains that he never said it; that the words were put
>>>>>>> in his mouth by the
>>>>>>> parent who questioned him. That parent happens to be the mother
>>>>>>> of the student with
>>>>>>> whom he is having a conflict-and she happens to work for Abraham
>>>>>>> Lincoln as a
>>>>>>> detention-room officer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The tape indicates that rather than just spouting off with
>>>>>>> racial invective, the boy
>>>>>>> was asked first why he didn't want to cooperate with brown
>>>>>>> people by the parent/school official.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In court, this might be called entrapment. Not to mention a
>>>>>>> conflict of interest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Officials at the Wa****ngton Elementary School District, who are
>>>>>>> supposed to oversee
>>>>>>> Voinovich, wouldn't comment about the boy's suspension. They
>>>>>>> said only the
>>>>>>> principal
>>>>>>> is qualified to talk about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, the boy's mother is talking, and she is angry. She has
>>>>>>> also removed
>>>>>>> her son
>>>>>>> from the school.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I want parents to know . that principals can abuse their
>>>>>>> powers," Sherry
>>>>>>> Neve, 35,
>>>>>>> said. "Principals need to have pro-active supervisors. I want
>>>>>>> the parents
>>>>>>> to know
>>>>>>> that the principal was influencing my son in a way I wouldn't
>>>>>>> want him to
>>>>>>> be raised."
>>>>>>> Neve said school officials didn't advise her of the incident
>>>>>>> until several
>>>>>>> days after
>>>>>>> they questioned her son. When Neve objected to the suspension
>>>>>>> during the conference,
>>>>>>> Voinovich told her that she didn't have any rights; that parents
>>>>>>> give up their rights
>>>>>>> to discipline when they send a child to school, the tape shows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If you don't want that, you can take him out of here,"
>>>>>>> Voinovich said tersely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neve insists that her son is not a racist and that he never
>>>>>>> differentiated
>>>>>>> a person's
>>>>>>> color until the school made it in an issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We were raised to be color blind," she said. "My children were
>>>>>>> raised the
>>>>>>> same way."
>>>>>>> But let's assume for a minute that the boy actually made the
>>>>>>> comment. Does
>>>>>>> this make
>>>>>>> him a racist and guilty of a hate crime? Or does it make him a
>>>>>>> confused 9-year-old in
>>>>>>> need of counseling?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instead of taking an op****tunity to educate the boy and get to
>>>>>>> the root of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> problem, the principal taught him another lesson altogether:
>>>>>>> It's OK to feel like a
>>>>>>> racist as long as you keep your feelings to yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kids often say the darndest things. Apparently, so do
>>>>>>> principals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the kind of mental terrorism one would have expected
>>>>>> during the Cultural Revolution in Red China or in Vietnam after
>>>>>> the fall of Saigon or in Stalinist Russia. I hope the boy had a
>>>>>> nice 3 day vacation and enjoyed his brief freedom from the
>>>>>> indoctrination camp. Since when did mentioning the color of a
>>>>>> person's skin become a thought crime?
>>>>>>
>>>>> It happened around the same time that having fingernail clippers
>>>>> became carrying a concealed weapon and having Rolaids became
>>>>> carrying drugs to school.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. It would appear that the attacks on 9/11 coincided with
>>>> some kind of coup d'etat then. Certainly the people running our
>>>> Dept. of Education and the public schools (sic) act more like
>>>> Marxists and enemy combatants than like patriotic Americans. If
>>>> the boy had mentioned white skinned people, would he have been
>>>> charged with hate speech?
>>>>
>>> Only if he mentioned them in a positive fa****on.
>>> Then they would say that he was demeaning those that weren't white.
>>>
>>> This **** is so silly. If the founding fathers had all acted the
>>> way folks do today well.........I'd probably be hunting buffalo
>>> somewhere and living in a TeePee 'cause ya'll white folks wouldn't
>>> have stood a chance. :-)
>>>
>>> Just kiddin' about the TeePee. My ancesters had houses since they
>>> weren't migratory.
>>>
>>
>> I think those were commonly called a "Lodge". At least in English.
>
> .....or Hogans.....AAC
Oh yeah, it's been a while, but now that you mention it I do remember
hearing that term a long time ago.
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