"ray" <xxxrayted@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> In article <zOspj.1708$R84.1703@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> "M.Butzin" <mfbutzin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> "ray" <xxxrayted@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:fo5gr801l9o@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > In article <hJqpj.10158$EZ3.5459@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> > "M.Butzin" <mfbutzin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's really odd to hear you complain that American soldiers dead
in
>> >> >> Vietnam were murdered, but American soldiers dead in Iraq are
>> >> >> "casualties of war".
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I think there are some major differences between Iraq and Vietnam
>> >> > you
>> >> > are forgetting. First of all, Vietnam was prolonged intentionally
>> >> > while
>> >> > Iraq is a war we are actually trying to win. Secondly is the fact
>> >> > that
>> >> > many of the solders in Vietnam were drafted; these guys didn't
want
>> >> > to
>> >> > go to war whereas our military in Iraq is all volunteer.
>> >>
>> >> No one "volunteered" to go to Iraq and everyone who has been there
>> >> doesn't
>> >> want to stay there. Only the profiteers want to stay there.
>> >> (Blackwater,Haliburton). Besides the fact that the focus is ****fting
>> >> to
>> >> Pakistan and Afghanastan, where it should have been all along.
America
>> >> went
>> >> into Vietnam trying to help the French and British out, America ran
a
>> >> second
>> >> (secret) CIA war in the surrounding countries.
>> >
>> > MB, how long do you think this war has been going on---two years?
>> >
>> > Of course those who enlisted knew where they were going. The WTC
>> > attack
>> > was in September of 2001. This is 2008--seven years later. Now
>> > perhaps
>> > those in the military before 911 didn't know where they were going
>> > because they had already joined. But with the exception of career
men
>> > and women, the other solders in Iraq signed on to fight this war
either
>> > there or in Afghanistan.
>>
>> No, I am talking about those who have been held past their 4/6/8 year
>> enlistment terms, the "stop gap loss", I even got a letter that I could
>> be
>> recalled after forty years. My wife thought it was a joke, I went down
to
>> the enlistment office with my medical file and proved that medically I
am
>> exempt, it cost me a $1,000.00 in lawyer fees. I flew AC-130e gun****ps.
>> Their are more and more people being held past their agreed to
enlisment
>> terms.
>
> I've heard of two year enlistment terms only because my cousin told me
> all about it. But 8 years? I find that a little hard to believe, and
> even if true, how many of those solders are 8 year holdovers?
>
> --
> All saints have a past--all sinners have a future
>
> Ronald Reagan
Air Force has 4~6~8 year enlistments, four years no stripes out of basic
training, 6 years gets you two stripes out of basic & more pay, 8 years
you
still get two stripes but even more pay. Officers Start out with 6/8 years
depending on if they intend to fly and what. I got an early out (medical)
after a chopper crash at Fort Bragg.
Navy has 2 "basic" year enlistments, Subs are longer 4/6/8 because of the
specialty training, harder to get a sub, but easier to get off (psychiatry
plays a BIG part). Subs go down off the Virginia coast and surface near
either Holy Loch Scotland or Gibraltar. Or leave San Diego go up around
Alaska and to Japan or Straight out to Hawaii, Guam, Subic Bay
Philippines.
My dad 32 years Navy, Step father 12 years Marines, Brother in law 30
years
Navy and was a recruiter for the Navy for eight years.
Army has as much as you want 2/4/6/8, my brother re-enlisted three times
and
spent four years in Korea and spent twelve years in Germany 16 years
total.
Marine Corps is much like the Army and Navy combined.
MB
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