Re: Hitlary Vows to Surrender to Al Qaeda In Iraq in 60 Days!

"ray" <xxxrayted@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> In article <g9Npj.2913$uE.1298@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "M.Butzin" <mfbutzin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> "ray" <xxxrayted@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > In article <lZxpj.10587$hI1.9712@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> > "M.Butzin" <mfbutzin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > I am for the war in Iraq, but this is not to say I agree with
Bush's
>> >> > other nonsense such as Katrina.  I think instead of apologizing,
he
>> >> > should have made a strong point as to who was really at fault.  I 
>> >> > don't
>> >> > agree with his gift cards either.  And I certainly don't like his
>> >> > border
>> >> > stance.
>> >> >
>> >> > But considering 911 and all the screw ups of the previous
>> >> > administration, I don't know that anybody else could have done 
>> >> > better.
>> >> > It's my hope that future Republicans see what can happen when you 
>> >> > try
>> >> > to
>> >> > make everybody happy.
>> >>
>> >> Look at it this way, Reagan and H.W.Bush pissed of Osama when he was
>> >> fighting the Russians in Afghanastan (in the  80's). When clinton
was
>> >> elected things cooled of back to the "planning stage" for OBL, When 
>> >> Bush
>> >> took over the White House OBL went back on the attack mode. You can
>> >> choose
>> >> not to beleive it but google H.W.Bush and the Kuwati's and Saudis
and 
>> >> see
>> >> how many trips and what kind of oil deals he was trying to make to
the
>> >> region, it made the nightly news here. We used to have the "Offshore
>> >> Technology Conference" (OTC) google. All the oil companies world
wide
>> >> came
>> >> to Houston Texas for two weeks deals were blowing and going after
the
>> >> elder
>> >> Mr.Bush left the White House the trips to the Saudis and Kuwait
>> >> increased.
>> >> Now Saddam had attacked Iran after our embassy fell there during 
>> >> Carter
>> >> and
>> >> the hostages were released under Reagan, but when Reagan left and it

>> >> was
>> >> Bush and Quayle, Saddam didn't get along with H.W.Bush. So to get
the
>> >> attention of the White House he invaded Kuwait H.W.'s friend and 
>> >> business
>> >> partner. Along came Desert Sheild, then Desert Storm H.W Bush
promised
>> >> the
>> >> coalition that Israel would stay out of it and boom 96 hours later 
>> >> Saddam
>> >> was out of Kuwait, he still tried to involve the Isralies by
shooting
>> >> scud
>> >> missles their way. Saddam agreed to inspections by the UN
inspectors. 
>> >> But
>> >> he
>> >> (saddam) blocked them from actually leaving the Hotels on most days.
>> >> Until
>> >> W.Bush made a speech about OBL, neither his father or Clinton gave
up
>> >> intellegence that OBL was ever in IRAQ. Afghanistan / Pakistan is 
>> >> where
>> >> OBL
>> >> was re****ted to be. Making everybody "happy" will never happen!
Doing
>> >> what
>> >> you promise to do will go a long way to accomplish making people
>> >> "happier"
>> >> Two things that would make people feel better about either side of
the
>> >> aisle, better paying jobs and more jobs with benefits for Health and
>> >> Retirement cor****ate greed has taken over and reduced the American 
>> >> worker
>> >> to
>> >> feel like they are too disposable and are not of value to the
company.
>> >> Basically no respect for the employee, the gold watch era is dead
and
>> >> gone.
>> >> "Hopefully" the crack down on illegal immigrants will drive wages
back 
>> >> up
>> >> and that will have a positive effect on the economy and return of 
>> >> higher
>> >> paying jobs with better benefits, which would lead to a stronger 
>> >> economy.
>> >
>> > MB, first off, when in hell did "things cool off" when it came to Bin
>> > Laden?  I guess you quickly forget the SEVERAL attacks on the US
during
>> > the Clinton administration including the first WTC bombing.
>>
>> In the last "fifteen" speeches George Bush has not mentioned his name
not
>> once, you tell me why / when they cooled off on OBL? Every speech has 
>> been
>> about Iraq or lately Iran. According to W OBL is the leader of AQ and 
>> Saddam
>> only "allowed" the WTC attackers to train in Iraq, "supposedly".
>
> The reason GW never said anything about Bin Laden is because he is
> irrelevant.  The obsession of Osama by the left is only used for making
> GW and his administration look bad.  Every Democrat in the house knows
> that if we caught and killed Bin Laden, nothing would change in our
> battle with terrorism.  We are not fighting one man, we are fighting
> several organizations world wide.  This war is not about getting even
> with somebody or some people, it's about prevention so there is less of
> a chance an attack on our country will happen in the future.
>
>
>
>> > Next, government is not in charge of making companies give out gold
>> > watches.  The problem we have in this country today started during
the
>> > union days when Democrats sup****ted them forcing industry to pay 
>> > workers
>> > much more than they were worth.  This can't be reversed.  The jobs
left
>> > or will be leaving along with the gold watch days.
>>
>> People sup****ted the unions, without the workers wanting to join the 
>> union
>> there's no fire. Your trying to tell me there are no republicans who
are
>> union workers? So you think a human is only worth? What twenty five 
>> thousand
>> a year max, no matter what his education and training is? Or that a 
>> worker
>> should not enjoy discounted rates on health insurance or a credit union

>> or
>> 401k because he works with a group of people? If every company had to 
>> have a
>> retirement plan there would be no need for social security
"retirement",
>> only for disabled people born that way. The jobs left because of 
>> "cor****ate
>> greed" why pay an american $6.00 per hour when they can have that job 
>> done
>> in mexico for 37 cents a day and no health care, no 401k, no OSHA, No
>> Workmans Comp? Down in Mexico you break your arm on the job it's your 
>> tough
>> luck, oh yeah and they do employ child labor.
>
> MB, when you pay a floor sweeper at an auto plant $25.00 per hour plus
> full benefits, it only does one thing, it increases the wage for other
> positions.  When everybody's wages increase, you eventually price
> yourself out of the world market, and this is what we are experiencing
> today.
>
> The people who use foreign workers do so because they have no choice.
> If they don't create cheap products, their competitors will, and in the
> process, put their company out of business.  There is a difference
> between "greed" and "survival.'
>
> A man is worth what one is willing to pay him and no more.  We don't
> have jobs in this country for the purpose of Americans having jobs.  We
> have jobs because a person or company needs help to produce products or
> services.  They base the rate of pay by how much profit they can make on
> the services of an employee.  When you force a company to pay a person
> more than the job is worth, you end up with a situation similar to what
> we have today.

Your job you perform today, your paid either by the mile or the hour, that

pay was raised to what it is because of the work of men like Hoffa and 
unions, I remember when drivers who hauled freight didn't get paid for 
unloading. My starting pay was 22 cents a mile and a dollar a pound for 
unloading. That's $40.00 for 40 thousand pounds and 149.50 a day in
mileage 
(23 cents a mile), I often went toe to toe with dispatchers who told me to

run two log books, or pull trailers that didn't have good tires or brakes.
I 
was offered the other day $1.50 per mile, but I had to buy my own fuel and

insurance and run local (three states,TX, ARK, LA.) no drop and hooks, all

fingerprint loads. The unions put a stop to companies like the one I
worked 
for who wanted me to violate the law in one fa****on or another, they had 
maps of where the weight stations were and how to avoid them (written 
directions) in a note book with a pocket for your "bingo card". Instead of

pulling your rig into a truck stop and have the dogs fixed so you could 
slide the 5th forward or backward to scale out properly. Or the pigtail 
socket on the trailer fall out in your hand and they want you to rewire it

in the pouring rain. Things are better in the trucking industry because of

unions, you enjoy better conditions because of unions, your pay is higher 
because of unions just as your retirement and health are.
>
> The supply and demand process of workers is a near perfect system.  But
> when you bring in people such as unions or illegals to cheat the system,
> you throw a monkey wrench in the works.
>
> You are correct about one thing, and that is Social Security.  It's a
> forced tax that has little benefits.

So the big and little companies who dug their heels in against the 
government telling them "what to do" in their business the government had
to 
step in and make them contribute a minimial amount of their profit to
Social 
Security because the unscruplious business owners, either refused to have
a 
pension fund for it's employees or out right stole the money from the 
worker. The minimun wage is also in part due to unions, I remember my mom 
making 27 cents an hour sewing ****rts, that's why people join unions.

 >
> -- 
> All saints have a past--all sinners have a future
>
> Ronald Reagan