On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:35:36 -0500, Day Brown wrote:
> Bill Ward wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:42:39 -0600, DG wrote:
>>
>>> Day Brown wrote:
>>>> There is a win/win, and its ethanol from sorghum, not corn.
>>>>
>>>> The reason you dont hear about it is that the profits would go to the
>>>> small farmers rather than the big cor****ations. Not that there are
not
>>>> downsides. But:
>>>>
>>>> A U of GA study shows you can get 100-120 gallons of ethanol off an
>>>> acre of sorghum that only needs 3.5 gallons of tractor fuel to work.
>>>>
>>>> Rather than cooking down the juice to syrup, ferment it for 5-7 days,
>>>> when its 10% alcohol, then run the juice thru a solar still. Duck
soup
>>>> in August heat. You only need 171 deg F to boil off the alcohol
>>>>
>>>> Feed the left over mash to cattle for burgers or milk. feed the seed
>>>> heads to chickens for eggs and legs. You wont need chemical
>>>> fertilizers much less GM seed. Sorghum is more resistant to pests and
>>>> tolerates drought better than corn. It also grows better on marginal
>>>> land.
>>>>
>>>> Put the manure back on the land; you dont need chemical fertilizers.
>>>> Be a good idea tho to use some of the money from all this to buy
>>>> greensand. Its an acceptibly organic fertilzer from deposits of
>>>> Cambrian beech sand that has some slow release phosphorus as well as
a
>>>> wide variety of trace minerals which- if present in the food,
maximize
>>>> childhood mental development.
>>>>
>>>> Most of those you try to dialogue with were raised on sugar cereals,
>>>> junkfood and soda, and their minds did not develop to the full
>>>> potential as a result. Mostly, they are neurotic, and rather than
>>>> educated when presented with the facts, get angry.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I almost forgot the downside. Since fermenting sorghum is so
>>>> simple, every small farmer could use a cheap plastic swimming pool to
>>>> ferment it in, then a cheap pump with plastic pipe for a still, and
be
>>>> selling jugs out on the road with the rest of his produce.
>>>>
>>>> The sour mash process for corn produces isopropyl alcohol, which is
>>>> why moon****ne is poison; but sorghum produces rum, which is not.
>>>> Customers could drive on it, or drink it. The BATF would schitt a
>>>> brick.
>>>
>>> So would OPEC. The only way to break the OPEC cartel is with
biofuels.
>>> Most of the disinformation about biofuels comes from the oil fascists.
>>> Like you wrote, it's simple. Ferment at room temp, distill at 170
>>> degrees and put it in your tank.
>>
>> Where does the distillation energy come from?
>>
> Solar. Sorghum is ordinarily harvested in August while the stems are
still
> juicy. You only need 171 deg F to get the alcohol to boil out, so it'd
be
> duck soup to modify a solar hot water design to do that.
Is that the common way it's done, or is that speculation?
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