On May 4, 2:18 am, Gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sun, 04 May 2008 01:18:46 -0400, Ben Kaufman
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> <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> : On Sat, 03 May 2008 14:04:16 -0400, Gabriel
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> : >On Sat, 03 May 2008 13:44:29 -0400, Ben Kaufman:
><spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> : >: On Sat, 03 May 2008 09:35:27 -0400, Gabriel
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> : >:
> : >: >On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:48:47 -0400, Ben Kaufman: >:
><spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> : >: >: On Fri, 02 May 2008 17:51:27 -0400, Gabriel
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> : >: >: >On Fri, 02 May 2008 16:27:28 -0400, Ben Kaufman
> : >: >: ><spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> : >: >: >: On Fri, 02 May 2008 06:02:25 -0400, Gabriel
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> : >: >: >: >On Thu, 01 May 2008 22:10:25 -0400, Ben Kaufman
> : >: >: >: ><spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> : >: >: >: >: On Thu, 01 May 2008 21:42:15 -0400, Gabriel
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> : >: >: >: >:
> : >: >: >: >: >On Thu, 01 May 2008 20:02:53 -0400, Ben Kaufman
> : >: >: >: >: ><spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> : >: >: >: >: >: On Thu, 01 May 2008 03:56:36 -0400, Gabriel
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> : >: >: >: >: >: >On Thu, 01 May 2008 07:08:03 GMT, Kelsey Bjarnason
> : >: >: >: >: >: ><kbjarna...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> : >: >: >: >: >: >: [snips]
> : >: >: >: >: >: >:
> : >: >: >: >: >: >: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:45:41 -0400, Gabriel wrote:
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> : >: >: >: >: >: >: > : Or a fossil record.
> : >: >: >: >: >: >: >
> : >: >: >: >: >: >: > There is no fossil _record_. There are just
fossils, and then beliefs
> : >: >: >: >: >: >: > attached to them on what you think they're telling
you.
> : >: >: >: >: >: >:
> : >: >: >: >: >: >: Actually, you have that wrong. It's not a matter of
belief, but of
> : >: >: >: >: >: >: education.
> : >: >: >: >: >: >
> : >: >: >: >: >: >No, believing an animal produced what is clearly a
visibly
> : >: >: >: >: >: >different kind of animal with a clearly different bone
structure
> : >: >: >: >: >: >by just by looking at dead bones is a belief, nothing
more.
> : >: >: >: >: >: <SNIP>
> : >: >: >: >: >: Take a look at a dwarfism in human beings.
> : >: >: >: >: >
> : >: >: >: >: >Are you saying such people are no longer human beings?
> : >: >: >: >: >
> : >: >: >: >: >: They have clearly different bone
> : >: >: >: >: >: structure, and there are several varieties depending
upon the mutation involved.
> : >: >: >: >: >:
> : >: >: >: >: >: Ben
> : >: >: >: >: >:
> : >: >: >: >:
> : >: >: >: >: This is clear evidence that tiny changes in genes can
produce a sudden and
> : >: >: >: >: drastic change in appearance that you can witness in
your llife time.
> : >: >: >: >
> : >: >: >: >You didn't answer the question. Are you saying such people
are no
> : >: >: >: >longer human beings?
> : >: >: >: >
> : >: >: >: >:
> : >: >: >: >:
> : >: >: >: >: Ben
> : >: >: >:
> : >: >: >: Of course not, this was to demonstrate that gene mutations
can cause profound
> : >: >: >: changes, such as on bone structure, over a single
generation.
> : >: >: >: Do you accept this?
> : >: >: >
> : >: >: >That humans can produce humans that look different? Sure.
> : >: >: >
> : >: >:
> : >: >: No, you are agreeing to your own question, not mine.
> : >: >
> : >: >So you're not agreeing that this is just another example of a
> : >: >human producing a human that looks different?
> : >: >
> : >:
> : >: You are asking another question rather than answering mine.
> : >
> : >I answered your question: I already admitted that a human being
> : >can produce a human being that looks different, even in the case
> : >of dwarfism: bones are different. But it's still a human being.
> : >
> : >So are you not agreeing that this is just another example of a
> : >human being producing a human being that looks different?
> :
> : No, the item you seem to be avoiding mention of in your version of the
question
> : is genetic mutation and I am not limiting it to human beings . Do you
agree that
> : living things (plants, animals, viruses, bacteria etc) can change
through
> : genetic mutation?
>
> What kind of mutation, exactly?
DNA replicates quite faithfully, but sometimes there is a change in
one letter of a codon, resulting in a change of how that codon
translates into an amino acid, and therefore how it alters the
structure of the resulting protein.
That kind of mutation, Gabe! Do you agree that it happens? Please
answer "yes" or "no". :-)
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