Re: Antigun Spin on Heller...Like a Mixmaster!

Synthetic Networked Android Responsible for Killing and Yardwork
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> Hail Eris! On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:17:42 -0500, Eris Kallisti Discordia
> was laughing at the antics of RD (The Sandman), when they suddenly
> burst out in tears:
>> Cardinal Snarky of the Fannish Inquisition wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:48:12 -0700, Theotis Johnson sat in thee
>>> Comfee Chaire, and didst finally confess, after taking Muche Tea:
>>>> On 27 Jun 2008 22:50:06 -0700, No One wrote:
>>>>>Gunner writes:
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:22:10 GMT, Dionisio wrote:
>>>>>> >PLMerite wrote:
>>>>>> >> "No One" wrote:
>>>>>> >>><http://www.topix.com/city/kentwood-mi/2008/04/armed-robbery-sh
>>>>>> >>>oo ting-at-kentwood-comic-book-store>
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> >> Doesn't sound like the crook got any money.   Being unarmed
>>>>>> >> didn't do the victim any good, did it?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> ><ROTFL!> He cited an *unarmed* victim as an example as to why
>>>>>> >armed citizens don't stop crime?!?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes..the stupid schmuck really did.
>>>>>
>>>>>Two complete and utter idiots = Gunner and Dionisio, neither of
>>>>>whom realize that having a gun does you little good when someone is
>>>>>already pointing a weapon at you.
>>>>
>>>> You are an Idiot!
>>> 
>>> Pee-Wee, it doesn't help to have a gun in one's holster when there's
>>> a gun already pointing at one,
>> 
>> It may well help, particularly if he doesn't know you have it.  One
>> vote for CCW.
> 
> Again, not that good of an idea. The innocent civilian with a gun
> pointing at him, who manages to pull it out of its holster without
> being noticed, is largely a film artifact. Even Charles Bronson was
> only just some guy, offscreen.

Jut where did I say I was acting in your scenario?  I said if I had a 
concealed weapon he doesn't know that I have.  It is amazing what one can 
do if the person's attention is directed somewhere else and he is not 
expecting you to do anything.
 
>>> and having that gun can give one very stupid ideas about playing
>>> Charles Bronson,
>> 
>> Not necessarily.  A gun is not a cure-all, it isn't an aspirin,
>> however, there *may* come a moment when it becomes available as an
>> option.  IOW, if you are holding a gun on me, don't get distracted,
>> don't watch that blond on the corner, don't do anything that places
>> your attention elsewhere or you could possibly end up very dead.
> 
> Usually, playing Movie Hero tends to result in Dead Film Buff, because
> most of us would need to be CGI'd before we could kick a gun out of a
> hand, even the hand of a momentarily distracted mugger.

Excuse me, but if you are within a few feet of me and paying attention to 
that blond in the corner, I can kill you before you react to me.  The 
government spent a lot money teaching me to do just that.
 
>>> when doing so would likely result in a dead non-criminal.
>> 
>> Again, a possibility.  Of course, that could also occur if I didn't
>> have the gun.
> 
> If you have a gunbarrel pointing at you, you're very likely to do your
> best to encourage the wielder to refrain from firing, including
> keeping said wielder as calm as possible, because nervous trigger
> fingers have a way of suddenly clenching. 

Absolutely, but then his attention is on me.  It is when that attention 
wanders somewhere else....

There are no guarantees that
> you won't get shot anyway, but you stand a better chance of only being
> robbed. Being robbed is way better than being robbed and killed.

Not true.  Statistics show that resistance with a gun is more effective 
in many cases than no resisitance at all.

"Self-defense with firearms

*38% of the victims defending themselves with a firearm attacked
the offender, and the others threatened the offender with the
weapon.

*A fifth of the victims defending themselves with a firearm
suffered an injury, compared to almost half of those who defended
themselves with weapons other than a firearm or who had no weapon. 

Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/hvfsdaft.txt



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