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Marketoracle.co.uk: "The Great Depression 2008 - It can't happen to us....can it?"

by rolf.martens@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rolf Martens) Feb 12, 2008 at 04:55 AM

At my homepage www.rolf-martens.com I've added today, under "News with
brief 
comments":


Tuesday, 12 February 2008 (NWBC 346) Marketoracle.co.uk:  "The Great
Depression 
2008 - It can't happen to us....can it?"

2008-02-12, 04:02  GMT:

Concerning this, see also my "UNITE! (etc) Infos" #275en, "Will the world 
economy crash? (1)", (15.03.2007) and #305en, "Will the world economy
crash? 
(2) - An article in the Boston Globe", (28.01.2008) and, for
German-readers, 
#307de, "Ex-Marxist H. Dicke zur Finanzkrise (lesenswert)" (02.02.2008;
with an 
intro note in English). Here is, reproduced, the recent article at 
"Marketoracle",

[http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article3656.html]

[QUOTE:]

"The Great Depression 2008 - It can't happen to us....can it?” 
Feb 09, 2008 - 02:28 AM
 
By: Andy_Sutton


Webster's defines complacency as “1.satisfaction or contentment 2. smug 
self-satisfaction” There is probably not a better word to describe the
current 
state of perception with regard to economic and financial malady. I had an

interesting conversation the other night about exactly this topic and the 
individual I was speaking with had an overriding belief that we cannot
suffer 
economically simply because the current generation is not prepared to deal
with 
it. While I certainly agree with the latter assertion, the former
continues to 
baffle me. I am certainly not prepared to deal with a lengthy hospital
stay as 
the result of a horrific car crash, but that alone doesn't cloak me in
immunity 
from having an accident. The reasoning is so broken and flawed, yet it is
often 
all we get in terms of a perception of what is going on. 

This disconnect begets a discussion of why exactly it is that society has 
chosen to believe itself to be immune from bad things. It is odd in itself
that 
when you talk to individuals, they seem to be acutely aware of many of the

challenges facing us, but when you put all the individuals together and
create 
a society, we act as though the party will indeed last forever. We are 
certainly dealing with a situation in which the intelligence of the whole
is by 
far less than the sum of all its parts. Here's a little bit of déjà vu for
you, 
compliments of Wikipedia: 

“ In the 1920s, Americans consumers and businesses relied on cheap credit,
the 
former to purchase consumer goods such as automobiles and furniture and
the 
later for capital investment to increase production. This fueled strong 
short-term growth but created consumer and commercial debt. People and 
businesses who were deeply in debt when price deflation occurred or demand
for 
their product decreased often risked default. Many drastically cut current

spending to keep up time payments, thus lowering demand for new products. 
Businesses began to fail as construction work and factory orders plunged.”


Sound familiar anyone? See any price deflation going on? The Wil****re 5000
has 
only lost about 2.5 TRILLION dollars in value in the last two months or
so. 
What about the loss in home equity? Another trillion or two? Who knows,
but I 
think you get the point. We are seeing almost to the final utterance the
same 
play we saw unfold in 1929. Were those folks any more prepared for the
Great 
Depression than we are today? I'd argue that while they were perhaps a bit

better equipped to provide for their own sustenance that American society
in 
the 1920's was as complacent as we are today. When the realization of
history's 
coup de grace hits, we will be caught as unaware as our ancestors were
back in 
1929. 

Here are some other examples of what Alan Greenspan likes to call
‘irrational 
exuberance' in the 1920's: 

"We will not have any more crashes in our time." 

John Maynard Keynes in 1927 (The authenticity of this one is a little
suspect) 
DOW ~ 175 

"There will be no interruption of our permanent prosperity." 

Myron E. Forbes, President, Pierce Arrow Motor Car Co., January 12, 1928 –
DOW 
~ 200 

"There may be a recession in stock prices, but not anything in the nature
of a 
crash." - Irving Fisher, leading U.S. economist, New York Times, Sept. 5,
1929 
– DOW ~ 375 

"All safe deposit boxes in banks or financial institutions have been
sealed... 
and may only be opened in the presence of an agent of the I.R.S." -
President 
F.D. Roosevelt, 1933 – DOW ~ 65 

Tuesday morning we received news that according to the Institute of Supply

Management, the service ****tion of our economy underwent a significant 
contraction during the month of December. This is alarming given the fact
that 
December is normally one of the busiest times of the year. Even still, a
trip 
past the local mall provides a busy scene. People are streaming in and
out, 
carrying boxes and bags of im****ted trinkets to their im****ted cars. They
will 
then use im****ted gasoline to drive to their home, the mortgage of which
is 
likely to be owned by a foreign investor. Yet the average American citizen
sees 
nothing wrong with this picture. Or could it be that they don't even see
the 
picture at all? The media has certainly been playing the role of absentee 
informant in recent years, choosing to focus on such insipid topics as
Britney 
Spears' latest rehab stint rather than the im****tant business at hand. 

Here now, are some quotes from this generation's 1929..in 2007 and 2008: 

“It is encouraging that inflation expectations appear to be contained,”
Fed 
Chairman Ben S. Bernanke – Testimony to Congress – March 28 th , 2007 –
DOW ~ 
12,500, Headline CPI-U ~ 2.8% Y/Y 

"As I think you know, I believe very strongly that a strong dollar is in
our 
nation's interest, and I'm a big believer in currencies being set in a 
competitive, open marketplace," - Henry Paulson – Secretary of the
Treasury – 
USDX ~ 81.50 

““We are making history. What has passed the Congress in record time is a
gift 
to the middle class and those who aspire to it in our country.” House
Speaker 
Nancy Pelosi on the $168 Billion tax ‘rebate' while the middle class is 
spending their Wal-Mart Christmas gift cards on food and other
necessities. 

They're making history all right. Too bad it will end up being the WRONG
kind. 
How can we ever hope to focus the population on the urgency of our current

predicament when our leaders are willing to make it worse by handing our 
freebies, bailing out those who willingly make poor investment choices and

telling us everything can be ‘free' if we'll only pull their lever on
election 
day? 

Or am I putting the cart in front of the horse? Perhaps a contrarian
opinion 
might be that our leaders are giving the public exactly what it wants. In 
either case, I am quite certain that our state of unpreparedness will not 
constitute a free pass from the negative effects of a recession or a
retraction 
of any of the financial excesses we've enjoyed over the past few decades. 

By Andy Sutton 
http://www.my2centsonline.com

Andy Sutton holds a MBA with Honors in Economics from Moravian College and
is a 
member of Omicron Delta Epsilon International Honor Society in Economics.
His 
firm, Sutton & Associates, LLC currently provides financial planning
services 
to a growing book of clients using a conservative approach aimed at 
ac***ulating high quality, income producing assets while providing
protection 
against a falling dollar. For more information visit www.suttonfinance.net


[END OF QUOTE]


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Message posted by:
Rolf Martens
Malmö, Sweden
Phone and fax:
+46 - 40 - 124832;
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