"Doug Reese" <dreese@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Feb 15, 8:52 pm, "Crosslands" <npeter...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > There was one, and only one, member of the SBV"t" present that day.
He
> > > SUP****TS Kerry receiving the Silver Star.
>
> Oh, and Ba Thanh was the only VC that Kerry and his crew SAW. However,
> not only did Ba Thanh have an assistant gunner (he fled seconds before
> Kerry's boat turned and beached), there were TEN other VC in Ba
> Thanh's unit in the immediate area.
This I find hard to believe. After the B40 fired once there was little or
no enemy according to those who were there before they hooked up to the
Kerry campaign. (Fred Short email).
Moreover Vietnam is a dictator****p that has placed Kerry in its museum of
the war. Note also C. Stewart Forbes, Kerry cousin, got a ****t rebuilding
contract from this dictator****p. It is quite likely this dictator****p
would
message the testimony to help their backstabbing friend Kerry.
Moreover beaching the boat would hvae been a very stupid stragedy (not
silver star material). The boat is almost defenseless beached, but has
guns
to defend itself when on the water.
>
> How do we know this? Well, because they were shooting at us.
> Furthermore, years later, they (some of the surviving VC) gave some
> background as to who of their guys were there -- where they were
> located, their unit desigination, etc.
>
> >The Viet Cong had already fired the
> > missile without doing that much damage.
>
> Fortunately, just the window of the pilot house was blown out. And if
> it was Ba Thanh's B-40 that was fired (and from talking to the
> surviving VC, I believe it was), he re-loaded with the assistance of
> his buddy, as the B-40 was loaded when Kerry's boat beached.
>
> >The only thing Kerry did is chase
> > the wounded enemy soldier and kill him.
>
> Yes, that is what Kerry did at that location. And it's a good thing he
> did, as the guy could have been poised to fire the B-40 back at
> Kerry's boat, as that is the direction he was turned when Kerry shot
> him.
>
> But killing Ba Thanh isn't really why Kerry received the Silver Star.
> I mean it's part of it, but a small part. His decision to have the VN
> troops onboard, and to go at the ambush (neither had been done before
> that day), was a tactic that should have been used before that day . .
> but wasn't. It turned the tide, to put it mildly.
>
> >The were other troops in the
> > Swiftboat who landed with Kerry.
>
>
> >Kerry did not charge a superior force but
> > was the superior force.
>
> Of course it wasn't a superior force. The after-action re****t states
> how many Vietnamese troops were aboard (70 on all three boats,
> initially, I believe), as did the citation Kerry was given a few days
> after this incident. There is no paperwork that came out of this
> incident that says anything of the sort -- regarding the VC being a
> "numerically superior" force. The only mention is that there were 20
> (a "score") of the enemy -- that's actually in the citation -- 20 VC.
>
> The "numerically superior" bit was added several years later, to a
> subsequent citation, by an awards clerk.
>
> >Veterans state it was not something Silver Stars
> > are usually awarded for.
>
> Veterans who weren't there have made such a claim. People who don't
> like Kerry have made such a claim. People who lie thru their teeth
> when it comes to Kerry have made such a claim.
>
> However, not a single person among the 25 there that day have ever
> said such a thing . . . . . . and that includes Larry Lee, a member of
> the SBV"t". He sup****ts Kerry receiving that award.
>
> I think I'll take the word of those who were there, over political
> hacks who were thousands of miles away.
>
> Once again . . . . . I think I'll take the word of those who were
> there, over political hacks who were thousands of miles away.
>
> Sorry, but it's bull****. You post it with amazing frequency.
>
> By the way, that's the first time I've heard of a "haystack" in this
> incident. Or, for that matter, in that area. Congratulations on
> breaking new ground.
>
> Wrong again. He may well have received a slight wound earlier in the
> day (when we were up the Dong Cung Canal again and had a firefight
> with the local VC), but he definitely was wounded out on the main
> river -- and that is what he was awarded the PH for. It's in the
> paperwork -- you know, the paperwork you have never bothered to read.
>
> > > > Out of 19 officers with Kerry in Swift Boat Coastal Division 11,
only
> > three
> > > > sup****ted Kerry. Most of the others actively opposed him.
> >
> > > More bull****.
> >
> > > Don Droz, Peter Upton, Charles Gibson, an officer along the day of
the
> > > Bronze Star incident (his name escapes me) and Bill Rood . . in
> > > addition to those three (you mention), and that's just off the top
of
> > > my head.
> >
> > I do not think they were in the exactly the same group Kerry was in.
>
> Gee, that's funny, cause the first three, and Bill Rood, were present
> for the SIlver Star incident. Two of them were on Kerry's boat,
> although not a part of his crew.
> (I think that means they were in the same "group")
>
> Doug Reese
>
> >
> >
> > > That isn't three, but at least eight. . . . . . .
> >
> > > You post BS. I try to post actual facts and eyewitness accounts.
Those
> > > reading can choose who to believe.
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