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Kerry's Precursors

by Ubiquitous <weberm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Nov 25, 2007 at 06:58 PM

We are thankful to the members of the U.S. military. In addition to risking

life and limb to defend America, they also sometimes weather politically 
motivated slanders, like John Kerry's against Vietnam veterans or John 
Murtha's against Iraq veterans. Apparently this didn't start with Vietnam,

either. An outline of a Continuing Legal Education program sponsored by
one 
Todd Winegar, makes the following claim:

	- Difficult Cases and Clients
	• Brainwa****ng and propaganda principles
	• WWII - virtually no U.S. soldiers collaborated with the enemy; 
	Korean War - more than 90% collaborated. The "step-by-step" process 

We did a little Googling to find out what this was all about. It appears
the 
reference is to _prisoners_of_war_ in Korea, not soldiers in general, and
that 
the claim is exaggerated to say the least. In 2004, Robert Chaldini, an 
Arizona State University psychologist, told ASU Research magazine (Arizona

State University) that North Korean captors used "consistency," which is
"one 
of the six basic principles of influence":

	After the Korean War, a high percentage of American prisoners 
	were found to have collaborated with the enemy in some way. Yet 
	their behavior was not a result of physical torture, according 
	to Cialdini. The prisoners were subjected to some very skillful 
	uses of two key principles of influence.

	The Korean captors began their work on prisoners based on the 
	premise that Americans try to behave consistently with what 
	they've said and done. They first asked prisoners to agree with 
	seemingly innocuous statements, such as "The United States is 
	not perfect."

	Once a prisoner had agreed to that statement, he might be asked 
	to explain some of the ways in which his country is not perfect. 
	He was then asked to write down those ways and sign his name to 
	the document. Not wanting to become inconsistent in their actions 
	or words, prisoners would comply with the request.

	This request, and the ones that came after, would have been 
	followed by a "public" reading. The prisoner would be told to 
	read his list of imperfections to his fellow prisoners. They, 
	in turn, would be more likely to also agree to imperfections 
	in the United States because one of their fellow prisoners had 
	already cited them. At that point, these prisoners succumbed 
	to the principle of social proof. Humans rely heavily on the 
	people around us for cues on how to think, feel, and act. 

	Eventually, the small step of consistently acknowledging 
	imperfections, and the strong need for social proof, would 
	lead to collaboration and charges of aiding and abetting the 
	enemy.

Author Marty O'Brien has a somewhat different take:

	American POWs in Korea were held to much stricter standards by 
	their fellow Americans than their World War II fathers and older 
	brothers who died in the prison camps in that war--and they were 
	severely criticized for the slightest infraction of rules.

	During World War II in Germany, it was commonplace for Americans 
	who were captured by the Germans to cooperate with them in order 
	to make life easier for themselves. In some of the Stalags, 
	Germans and Americans cooperated quite freely and even put on 
	Christmas shows together. Trading between the captors and the 
	captives was winked at. Red Cross parcels were given up for 
	privileges. In some instances, lasting friend****ps were developed 
	between the enemies. The two sides got along quite well and there 
	were no instances of Germans killing Americans in a systematic 
	and brutal way in the prison camps. 

	Although POWs in other wars were regarded differently, in Korea, 
	no slack was given to American G.I.s who were forced, upon threat 
	of certain death, to cooperate with the enemy. The POWs behaved 
	no differently than U.S. and allied POWs during the war in the 
	Pacific in such places as Bataan, Corregidor, Singa****e and 
	Mukden, China, where the murderous Unit 731 operated. 

	The perfidious slander of our POWs came mostly from an alarming 
	number of Americans who seemingly were sympathetic to or duped 
	by the Communist propaganda apparatus and who were too willing 
	to believe the worst about their fellow Americans. Others, who 
	had never been POWs themselves, honestly believed that Americans 
	under no circumstances should ever cooperate with the enemy even 
	in the face of certain death. 

	The harsher standards dictated that even passive "cooperation" 
	with the enemy was deemed to be traitorous "collaboration." 
	Sadly, too many Americans peddled that line and in the process 
	slandered everyone unfortunate enough to get captured by the 
	Communists. That rigid mind set led to the establishment of 
	a new Code Conduct. Although the 1955 code had beneficial 
	aspects, it should be noted that it was, nevertheless, 
	scrapped in 1977 as unrealistic and unworkable--so much for 
	good intentions! 

By the way, the military's America Sup****ts You Web site [1] is running a 
"Giving Thanks Campaign" so that you can send a text message of sup****t to
the 
troops in the field.

[1]:
http://www.americasup****tsyou.mil/americasup****tsyou/thanks/index.aspx


--  
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad 
for them, it's failing.
 




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Kerry's Precursors
Ubiquitous <weberm@[EM  2007-11-25 18:58:54 
Re: Kerry's Precursors
Ubiquitous <weberm@[EM  2007-11-28 07:12:37 
Re: Kerry's Precursors
garrethhume@[EMAIL PROTEC  2007-11-28 20:58:42 

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