Ron Allen wrote:
> Ron Allen wrote:
> > Conservative Capitalist:
> > (1) There can be no government without the state
> > (2) There can be no exchange without the market
>
> > Democratic Socialist:
> > (1) There can be government without the state
> > (2) There can be free exchange without the free
> > market
>
>
> Michael Price wrote:
> > "Free exchange" in this context meaning
> > something neither free nor exchanged.
>
>
> Ron Allen answers:
> I believe that free exchange will be enlarged and
> extended to all when the free-market degradation
> of community, and the capitalist disgrace of
> exchange have been overthrown.
>
I don't see how being allowed to trade what is yours
is degrading. Your idea of "free exchange" where you
have to give what others "need" regardless of how much
effort you put in to it is far more degrading.
As usaul you do not address my point, that is that what
you call "free exchange" is neither free, since people have
to engage in it if "the people" demand, or exchange, since
it happens whether the other party has something you want
or not.
>
> Michael Price wrote:
> > Arachocapitalist,
> > (1) We were governed before the State.
> > (2) We had a market without the State.
>
>
> Ron Allen answers:
> We were self-governed individuals and communities
> before the modern piratical state was constituted.
> The modern state both attended and promoted the
> modern capitalist system of piratical free-market
> exchange.
No it attended and promoted a very un-free market
exchange. Read some history books some time.
>
>
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>
> "This nation was conceived in liberty and
> dedicated to the principle -- among others --
> that honest men may honestly disagree; that if
> they all say what they think, a majority of the
> people will be able to distinguish truth from
> error; that in the competition of the market place
> of ideas, the sounder ideas will in the long run
> win out."
> -- Elmer Davis, But We Were Born Free, 1954
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