In sci.environment, Poetic Justice
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on Mon, 12 May 2008 08:14:40 -0400
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> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>> In sci.environment, Poetic Justice
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>> on Sun, 11 May 2008 22:06:05 -0400
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>>>> On May 12, 1:55 am, wbye...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 01:30:49 -0400, "V-for-Vendicar"
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>>>>> <Just...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> The U.S. GOVERNMENT you mean. But AmeriKKKan Capitalists provide
NOTING.
>>>>> Who do you think provides the money for much of these private aid
>>>>> foundations? Joe and Jennifer Six-pack. Umm....... wrong. It's
>>>>> cor****ate foundations and capitalists like Gates and Buffett. Who do
>>>>> you think provides the capital for combating Aids in Africa? Lots of
>>>>> businesses and horrid capitalists. Who do you think provides the
money
>>>>> for cultural events and museums - damn, it's those horrible
>>>>> capitalists again. OTOH the US government's original donation to
fight
>>>>> hunger was.........$200 million or $.67 from each of us. Wow,
>>>>> especially after we've all donated about $4,000 to our Iraq
adventure.
>>> /
>>>>> Yup, government does a wonderful job in the philanthropic field. You
>>>>> can moderate personal and cor****ate greed and redistribute some
wealth
>>>>> with a fair tax system - not by tossing out capitalism. Life isn't
>>>>> fair, folks. Deal with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> WB Yeats
>>>
>>> But justice under the Constitution is supposed to be *fair and equal*
>>> theft of ones money deserves justice.
>>
>> It certainly isn't equal and it never really was fair;
>> the rich have access to better lawyers and are generally
>
> We all have access to the same lawyers, you simply need to steal more
> money if your poor.
Theft is usually considered a crime.
>
>> better educated, whereas the poor, if they're lucky, get
>> one overworked public defender handling way too many cases
>> at once.
>>
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> Innocence should make the defense simple, easy and fast.
Depends on how well the police can plant evidence. "Oh, look,
a joint! You're in for possession."
Granted, this is less of a problem in the US than in other countries,
but there have been occasional allegations.
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>> Not that socialism is any better, of course.
>
> In Socialism it's worse, everyone is equally poor. No one has a good
> lawyer.
>
>> Bear also in mind that the Constitution was originally
>> designed to only give landowners the franchise. I'd have
>> to look as to how exactly non-landowners got it, though.
>> (Of course the Amendments, Amendment 20 in particular,
>> make adjustments; women can now vote, and I'd call that
>> fair, or at least advantageous to them.)
>>
>
> I'm not convinced. How did we get prohibition?
Someone thought it was a good idea.
> Then look at prohibition's contribution to the Great Depression.
>
>> Bear also in mind that Gates and Buffet got their money
>> from their customers (which, in some cases, includes the
>> US Taxpayer). They are businesses, buying and selling
>> stuff at a profit.
>>
>> And then there's _A Tale Of Two Cities_, which is allegedly
>> an example of what unbridled, unregulated capitalism can do
>> to a city. There's also the flip side: when the Iron Curtain
>> tore, we could see the massive damage communism did to the
>> environment, and to its people.
>>
>> Presumably, the best operating point is a mix of the two.
>> The question is what the mix should be.
>>
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>
> What did the USA do that was worse than the Socialist countries.
>
> Do they feed all their people and send aid to others?
Do they torture and hold people for long periods without charges?
> Do the socialists countries have more freedom?
Do we?
> Do those countries pollute less...
> have better justice...
> safety records...
> less war...
> our history is littered with obstacles and horror stories but they don't
> measure up to the ills of socialism. Maybe capitalism makes socialism
> work better... but it's not true of the reverse.
>
>
> Mixing socialism into our capitalism, drags us down,
Indeed. We should get rid of the following programs, then.
[1] Social Security. This highly socialistic program
is a regressive transfer tax, taken from the workers to
give to the elderly and disabled. Better to eliminate
it outright, and explain to the families of such elderly
and disabled that they will be expected to take care of
their own, and if they can't, to have them dealt with in
an appropriate manner.
[2] NASA. This boondogglistic organization has been
responsible for the direct deaths of at least 17 people
and the indirect deaths of many more, by allowing such
things as cell phones during driving.
[3] Local police and fire. These socialistic programs
are of course replaceable by private security and
insurance-funded fire suppression firms, respectively.
[4] Roadway maintenance can be replaced by private toll
roads.
[5] Cal-OSHA can be replaced by insurance-funded private
checking programs.
[6] The Federal Reserve can be replaced by private ... oh,
wait, maybe not, but at least they can vigorously enforce
the notion of a fixed credit system, in that M3 per capita
is held absolutely constant. (This is most easily done
by replacing our current coinage with gold.) Note that
counterfeiters would still be prosecuted vigorously, though
we might set up a system whereby anyone with gold can coin
gold, and private enterprise would sell analysis kits to
ensure those gold coins are the right density. Scales would
be routinely used, of course.
> it's not making us
> stronger. We are daily getting more socialist regulations and looking
> at problems getting worse for having them.
Indeed.
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