Re: "Give me MONEY or else YOU WILL DIE" - Capitalist

On May 16, 8:52 am, Poetic Justice <@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Michael Price wrote:
> > On May 13, 12:41 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> On May 11, 8:44 pm, Michael Price <nini_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >>> On May 12, 6:50 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>> On May 11, 9:53 am, Dog eat Dog <world@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
>>>>>>news:da0544b8-226d-4ea2-9df2-a9fe1b3903b0@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>>> How about if I come over to your house (or trailer) and just
take all your
> >>>>>>>> belongings? You have more than I do so I have a RIGHT to steal
from you!
> >>>>>>> If my life depends upon it, and your doesn't YES.
> >>>>>>> Property rights are NOT more im****tant than human rights.
> >>>>> If so... why does the government Lock you away and deprive you of
your
> >>>>> HUMAN rights, because you didn't pay your taxes?
> >>>> Not paying your taxes deprives other people of their human rights
by
> >>>> denying them the funds necessary to sup****t necessary social
> >>>> services.
> >>>   Well no it doesn't.  Taxes fund the attack on neccesary social
> >>> services,
> >>> not the social services themselves.  For instance the "war on drugs"
> >>> attacks
> >>> people's ability not to get kidnapped/arrested and frequently not to
> >>> get murdered.
> >>> The government is not neccesary for any "neccesary social service"
> >>> unless you
> >>> think war is a neccesary social service.  Everything else could be
> >>> done privately
> >>> and yes I'm including law enforcement in that.
> >>>>  We are social beings.  We have social responsibilities,
> >>>> including financial ones, if we have the means to meet them.
> >>>   We may well have, but what does that have to do with sup****ting
> >>> those
> >>> who claim the monopoly of force?  If you wish to live up to your
> >>> financial
> >>> responsibilities feel free to do so, but don't claim you need to
> >>> channel the
> >>> money through the State.
> >> Ah.  A Libertarian.  Someone who doesn't believe in government.
> >> Splendid.  Move to a desert island.  Then, you won't need a
> >> government.  Otherwise, we have to try to get along.
>
> Libertarian don't believe in *excess* Government.....
> You remember the founding fathers and their writings and how they
> believed in *LIMITED* government, right?
>

Is that why they used vague language like "provide for the general
welfare" and "regulate commerce among the states" and "enact all laws
necessary and proper"?

> Maybe people who need excessive government need to find some other
> political system "somewhere else" that agrees with their needs.
>
> >   Then why don't you?  Instead of telling me what to own, what to buy,
> > what not to buy, what to read, what not to read why don't you just
> > try to get along with people whose choices are not yours?  Why
> > insist on bring government, i.e. force into it?  Alternatively why
> > don't the people who want to use force move to the island?