On May 19, 5:25=A0am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 17, 8:51=A0pm, Michael Price <nini_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 18, 5:04=A0am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 16, 3:51=A0pm, James Beck <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > In article <7164469d-2972-499f-bf76-df8fbbbef7bd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > 25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On May 16, 2:58=A0pm, James Beck <j...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > In article <fd5d617a-6d51-4dfe-9045-240698fc4e96
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> > > > > >> BTW, Libertarians are not anarchists, I don't know where that
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> > > > > Of course Libertarians aren't anarchists. =A0Anarchists have a
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> > > > > agenda and philosophy: the elimination of all government
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> > > > > Libertarians haven't the slightest idea what their agenda is:
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> > > > > just whine about the government without presenting any
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> > > > > approach. =A0Other than fantasy societies like medaieval Iceland
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> > > > > there weren't enough people to require a government. =A0Which is
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hy
> > > > > they should move to a desert island. =A0That is the ideal
Libertar=
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> > > > > Society: =A0NO SOCIETY AT ALL!!!
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> > > > I have no idea where your Icelandic crap is coming from either.
> > > > Libertarianism isn't about having no society either.
> > > > Want to try again?
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> > > As I said, Libertarians have no specific agenda. =A0They just whine
> > > about the government without even attempting to present a practical
> > > alternative. =A0What's to try again?
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> > =A0 What an absurd lie. =A0Libertarians have presented a practical
> > alternative
> > time and time again. =A0Is not ending the "War On (some) Drugs" a
> > practical
> > way of reducing overdoses, aids and Hep. C infections, and murders?
> > Is
> > not ending the "War On (Some) Terror" a practical way to prevent our
> > own
> > citizens being locked up without trial? =A0Is not ending professional
> > licensing
> > a practical way to cut costs in various professions? =A0The fact is
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> > Medieval
> > Icelandic society did work without a government and libertarians have
> > repeatedly suggested a similar setup. =A0So why claim that we don't
> > suggest practical alternatives? =A0Unless by "practical" you mean
"able =
to get
> > approved by pro-government thugs"?
> Obviously the U.S. government is hopelessly corrupt. =A0On that we can
> agree. =A0Not so, other governments.
Really? So there's a government that doesn't violate it's citizen's
rights
for it's own benefit?
>=A0The governments of Western Europe
> -- Germany, France, Britain, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, for example --
> run highly civilized societies with low crime rates, excellent social
> services, much less poverty than the U.S, and a high standard of
> living for their citizens.
If these are examples of governments you think are not corrupt look
at their agricultural policy.
> =A0Mediaeval Iceland had a population density
> of roughly 1 person per 1000 sqaure miles. =A0We are not in that
> position, you utter loon.
I never said we were so why are you heaping abuse on me? If there's
a reason to believe that anarcho-capitalism wouldn't work with higher
population densities you haven't produced it. Instead you just lied
and said that libertarians did not produce practical alternatives.
> =A0We need some real government. =A0Just not a
> hopelessly corrupt one, as we have in the U.S.
By government I assume you mean the State. Very well then prove
we need government. Prove that we could not organise what little
good government does without the State. And while we're at it
prove that minarchism is not "practical" since you tarred them with
the same brush. Why is it "impractical" to have a government that
limits itself to the enforcement of natural rights?
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