On May 19, 10:10=A0am, sigvaldi <sigv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 19, 2:51=A0pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 18, 5:09=A0pm, sigvaldi <sigv...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 18, 7:25=A0pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On May 17, 8:51=A0pm, Michael Price <nini_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On May 18, 5:04=A0am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > On May 16, 3:51=A0pm, James Beck
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> > > > > > > In article <7164469d-2972-499f-bf76-df8fbbbef7bd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > 25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, jkraus_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > > > On May 16, 2:58=A0pm, James Beck
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> > > > > > > > > In article <fd5d617a-6d51-4dfe-9045-240698fc4e96
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> > > > > > > > >> BTW, Libertarians are not anarchists, I don't know
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that idea keeps
> > > > > > > > > coming from
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> > > > > > > > Of course Libertarians aren't anarchists. =A0Anarchists
have=
a coherent
> > > > > > > > agenda and philosophy: the elimination of all government
aut=
hority.
> > > > > > > > Libertarians haven't the slightest idea what their agenda
is=
: they
> > > > > > > > just whine about the government without presenting any
alter=
native
> > > > > > > > approach. =A0Other than fantasy societies like
medaievalIcel=
andwhere
> > > > > > > > there weren't enough people to require a government.
=A0Whic=
h is why
> > > > > > > > they should move to a desert island. =A0That is the ideal
Li=
bertarian
> > > > > > > > Society: =A0NO SOCIETY AT ALL!!!
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> > > > > > > I have no idea where yourIcelandiccrap is coming from
either.
> > > > > > > Libertarianism isn't about having no society either.
> > > > > > > Want to try again?
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> > > > > > As I said, Libertarians have no specific agenda. =A0They just
wh=
ine
> > > > > > about the government without even attempting to present a
practi=
cal
> > > > > > alternative. =A0What's to try again?
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> > > > > =A0 What an absurd lie. =A0Libertarians have presented a
practical=
> > > > > alternative
> > > > > time and time again. =A0Is not ending the "War On (some) Drugs"
a
> > > > > practical
> > > > > way of reducing overdoses, aids and Hep. C infections, and
murders=
?
> > > > > Is
> > > > > not ending the "War On (Some) Terror" a practical way to prevent
o=
ur
> > > > > own
> > > > > citizens being locked up without trial? =A0Is not ending
professio=
nal
> > > > > licensing
> > > > > a practical way to cut costs in various professions? =A0The fact
i=
s that
> > > > > Medieval
> > > > >Icelandicsociety did work without a government and libertarians
hav=
e
> > > > > repeatedly suggested a similar setup. =A0So why claim that we
don'=
t
> > > > > suggest
> > > > > practical alternatives? =A0Unless by "practical" you mean "able
to=
get
> > > > > approved
> > > > > by pro-government thugs"?- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > Obviously the U.S. government is hopelessly corrupt. =A0On that we
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an
> > > > agree. =A0Not so, other governments. =A0The governments of Western
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urope
> > > > -- Germany, France, Britain, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, for example
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> > > > run highly civilized societies with low crime rates, excellent
socia=
l
> > > > services, much less poverty than the U.S, and a high standard of
> > > > living for their citizens. =A0MediaevalIcelandhad a population
densi=
ty
> > > > of roughly 1 person per 1000 sqaure miles. =A0We are not in that
> > > > position, you utter loon. =A0We need some real government. =A0Just
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> > > Medeival Iceland had a population of 75 000 people or almost 2000
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> > > 1000 square miles.
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> > How many modern societies have only 2 people per square mile? =A0You
> > don't think that reduces the need for government???
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> Australia, Canada, Iceland and a number of others but I never stated
> that it reduced the need for a government.
> I was merely correcting your statement where you said that Iceland had
> a population of 1 per 1000 sq miles.
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> > You ARE an idiot!!!- Hide quoted text -
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> I think this speaks for itself.- Hide quoted text -
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Most of Canada and Australia are uninhabitible because of cold in
Canada, and lack of water in Australia. The vast majority of the
population are concentrated in a small fraction of the total area of
the countries, where population densities are comparable to the rest
of the world.
Why do you think Iceland now has a government, by the way?
You are whining about trifles. As libertarians and creationists do.
Because they have no alternative to the systems they are criticizing.
So, you snipe.
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