"the 2nd coming of christ" <jesucristo2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:06:42 GMT, "Tani Jantsang ©"
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>
>>
>>Actually, it's not. I didn't know that Protestants and Catholics were
the
>>same for years - no, for decades! I didn't know. Why would I know
that?
>>I
>>knew Italians. They were NOTHING like the people that were Protestants
-
>>tho the ones I knew rarely talked about religion at all. Protestants
>>seemed
>>very bland, also secular. Catholics (Italians) seemed different, more
>>prone
>>to have parties and such :) In the later 80s I learned the BIG
>>difference -
>>and I learned that Evangalicals (they are not just protestants) DO try
to
>>convert Catholics - and when and if they do, Catholics get very anti
Mary
>>and against the Saints. So there is a difference there. Protestants,
as
>>was shown in that university - Bob Jones or something University - a
>>standard protestant university, consider the Pope to be the anti Christ.
>>Now yeah, that blew my mind. I had NO idea.
>
> of course they're different but by definition they're both
> christian. it's like puritans and charismatics don't act the same
> either, but they're both christian. mormons are christian, too.
> they may not act all the same but they're all christian. anyone
> saying mormons and catholics are not christian is just really,
> really stupid. i mean, that takes the cake of stupid in my book.
Well, if you are yourself from a Christian background, I can see why you'd
think it's stupid. But not everyone is from such a background - and, as
such, we should not even be expected to see these "obvious similarities."
They seemed as different from each other as Jews are different from them.
In a way, Jews are not SO different. They also push their morality on
people, and they do it in such a way, they get to the courts to do it -
and
everyone ends up having to obey this ****, even if they DO NOT WANT to.
They have done this, time and time again in recent times.
I'll try to explain this and be slow about it, because I'm beginning to
realize that certain conceptions are NOT all that obvious. Just as you
think it's stupid beyond belief to see them as different. I'll try my
best
here.
1. Long ago, there were a strange people that kept aloof of others. They
were not agriculturalists at all, and they looked down on agrarian
societies, all of whom were pagan. They regarded themselves as Chosen by
an
Invisible God. These people were Semites (the Hebrews), called that by
tribe and what would be considered ethnic group or race. Not everyone
around them was also a Semite. Some were very different. These people
were
INTOLERANT to the extreme. The Greeks and Egyptians and others were NOT
intolerant at all. However, conflicts can make people GET intolerant.
2. This group of people had sectarian splits, best well known about during
the Roman occupation of Jerusalem and that area. At this time, they were
primarily Jews, Judeans.
3. Somehow - it doesn't matter HOW, but somehow, this peculiar religion
of
theirs, or an offshoot from their religion, spread (like a virus? as
Dawkins
says)...it spread all over the European world where it really should NEVER
have spread. But it spread. It gave birth to Christianity among
primarily
European peoples. Of course, they put a European slant on this new
religion - and each country, with ethnic temperments, put national slant
on
this religion. Germans did not practice Christianity the same way
Italians
practiced it, in other words. That is because Germans are not like
Italians.
4. Later on, the same beliefs gave birth to Islam among other Semitic
people - and it was a radical religion that converted people by sword from
the start - with Mohammed as its Prophet. I know what you think of
Mohammed, but consider that he was only practicing EXACTLY what the
Semites
of old had been practicing.
My culture views life like a TREE. Trees have ROOTS. Trees bear FRUIT -
and you can tell what kind of ROOT the tree has by the FRUIT it gives us.
I
think Christianity and Islam are ROTTEN FRUIT. So what does that tell me
about the ROOT of that tree?
Now - I see that Christianity, the various forms of it, like Judaism, come
in ETHNIC GROUPS, as I just said. Certain ethnic groups are by nature
dionysian. Certain others are apollonian. Then again, others are what
one
scholar had to invent a term for - he called it thorian. Dionysian are
pleasure seeking, prone to hedonism, tend to be emote reactive with logic
flying out the window. Apollonian types temper their dionysian behavior
with reason and logic - they'd be the epicureans - the types of people
that
made life VERY NICE in the west for a long time, the ones responsible for
PROGRESS like no other progress anywhere else. The third group would be
the
thorian type, a name made up by a scholar for lack of a name being there
before. They'd be the anti-joy types, they are BY NATURE against pleasure
or they are self-flagellating types of people. In the pagan world, such
people existed and had their own cults - all of these types existed in the
pagan world. BUT - they never tried to PUSH that cult on anyone else.
They
did their own thing, like the cult of Attis.
Modern Satanism, ALL FORMS of it, are just offshoots of the Christian
religion - no matter how hard these groups try to deny that. SR is
obviously Eastern Philosophy - and admits it. It uses Sat and Tan as a
PUN - we claim no etymological reality to that. It's a pure pun. The
info
is out there ONLY because people, some people, feel that boundless
darkness
and really want to know WHAT it is. They think, if they are Christians,
that it MIGHT be satan? But when they go looking into satanism, that is
definitely NOT what they are looking for, it's NOT what they felt. What
SR
explains - IS what they felt - and there is much information on where and
how to find out more. No, not by joining the SR. LOL. It's to be found
in
Vedanta. Taoism. For Jews, it's to be found in Kaballa - and most of the
info online about DDoc in Jewish came from a Jew IN ISREAEL who gave that
to me - the source books are listed.
Most people from the East that live here now and teach this, have had to
accomodate their doctrine TO western thinking - that is, kind of dumb it
down or lighten it up. Main thing, they use a LOT of foreign words - and
foreign words that are not in your own language are NOT going to convey
anything in the way it's supposed to be conveyed - i.e., IN THE GUT.
FELT.
Not something to think about. Something to FEEL. To speak in a feeling
language, you have to use the language of the people - NOT academic
language.
The only other things I see that might NOT be offshoots of Christianity
would be perhaps SOME Wicca, now that they have thrown off the very Judean
yoke that turned Goddess into JHVH with tits. Real Wicca was NOTHING like
that. Some Wiccans are like that now - but I wonder how much they can
really get around a religion, Jewish OR Christian, that they were raised
in
from birth. I can't HELP but think of anything I hear (religious talk)
in
an eastern sense, and quite a few Priests told me that my way of "HEARING"
all of it is just very eastern. They didn't condemn it, they just thought
it interesting. By now, a lot of them know how their Priests have
MISinterpreted Eastern thought. Now they get an idea how someone can
MISinterpret western religion! I, eg, see NO difference between Jesus and
Hercules. HOW is there a difference? Priests will simply say that
Hercules
is not real, Jesus is real. NOT THE POINT!!! Ha ha. Millions of Greeks
adored Hercules, the son of Zeus and a human woman, a divine Man-God. So
they renamed him Jesus. Imo.
In other words - would LaVey's concept of Satan exist, would even Dr.
Aquino's concept of Set or desire for an organization that adores Set -
would these things even EXIST if these people did NOT live in a, or come
from a Christian background or society? NO - they wouldn't! But the Sat
and Tan stuff? Hell, MILLIONS of people are of the Vedanta faith in the
East. And even BILLIONS MORE have the boundless darkness concept there.
None of it is a reaction to anything, either. That IS their cultural
idea/religion. But I would NEVER have made a pun out of Sat and Tan if a
bunch of western people weren't out there looking for SATANism. I'd never
have done that. No need. Consider, that I do not use that concept in my
personal life. My culture does NOT call Mahakala or Karabog the Sat. So
I
don't even use it. When I hear a person, no matter who, a Priest eg, talk
about God - I instinctively hear and FEEL and TUNE INTO "the boundless
darkness." When I hear "Jesus" - it's just not conceivable to me that THE
FLAME/LIGHT/LOGOS is "the walking talking person Jesus" when this
flame/light/logos IS INSIDE ME for ****'s sakes! IT IS INSIDE ME. It's
what you are flowing with IF you can do kundalini yoga. Are they saying
that the person Jesus is in my body? That doesn't quite click as correct.
This is bioelectrical. It's what makes living things - ALIVE. My
keyboard
doesn't have it inside it. The wooden table doesn't have it. But trees
DO
have it. That's not just my theory, it's not theory for me. I SEE it,
2nd.
SEE it.
>
>>No need to be concerned. Do you think that Jews don't know EXACTLY what
>>these Christian Zionists are about? The CZ's don't exactly keep
anything
>>secret, they are very vocal and open about it. Many Jews see it your
way,
>>and I agree - that it's a form of cultural genocide. But then again,
many
>>others Jews do NOT see it that way since they are getting sup****t, US
gov
>>pressure and a LOT of money from these people who are basically their
>>allies. The CZ believe GOD gave that land to the Jews - Period. Even
>>most
>>Jews don't elieve that - they are secular. The CZ don't believe Israel
>>should give an inch of land away. Israelies are divided on that, some
>>compromise - but the CZ are right. Every single time the Israeli's
>>compromise, the Islamic see that as WEAKNESS! And in a way it is. Jeff
>>(ADL agent and Am Zion Member) even said that Israel should fight the
>>damned
>>war TO WIN IT, not to ***** foot around their own potential genocide at
>>the
>>hands of Islamics. I agree. BUT - I also agree that this is ISRAEL'S
>>problem. NOT America's problem. That is also the stance of the JTF
>>(Jewish
>>Task Force).
>>>
>>>> I meant that the OTHER Christians (regular groups, not
>>>>fanatics) don't blindly sup****t Israel. Christian Zionists DO blindly
>>>>sup****t Israel.
>>>
>>> it's their money to do what they want with, i guess...
>>
>>Oh, they do a lot more than just give money. They try to influence US
>>policies. But they aren't doing something pro America. They are doing
>>things based on religion.
>
> well, in america people are allowed to try and influence
> government. everyone does it from the tobacco lobby to the
> pharmaceutical lobby or whatever. that's the way the system works.
> everyone has their own interest in mind, not necessarily the
> 'health of america' or what have you. big tobacco doesn't care how
> many americans die of cancer due to smoking, they just care about
> their bottom line and their board of directors bottom line.
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the US created the taliban, bin laden, etc.. Carter is the father
>>>>> of Islamic extremism. I think i have an article on that saved on
>>>>> my computer but would have to look for it...
>>>>
>>>>Sure thing, the US created the Taliban, armed them, to fight the USSR
-
>>>>which, at the time, I said was a BIG mistake. I was right. Christian
>>>>Zionists are a whole other thing. Check out Jews On First. Hell,
>>>>subscribe
>>>>to it - it's pretty good. I also like the JTF - they are seriously
>>>>fanatic - they liked Rabbi Kehane. We have a few of them in the SR,
too
>>>>LOL.
>>>
>>> not familiar with JTF or what it means...
>>
>>Jewish Task Force. Look them up - they are seriously right wing Jews -
>>and
>>definitely Zionists.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>- but due to their apocalyptic view, they WANT
>>>>>>Israel to go to war with Iran and bring on the armegeddon. They do
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>want
>>>>>>Israel to give back ANY lands to Palestinians.
>>>>>
>>>>> the US is constantly convincing Israel to make concessions that
>>>>> end up harming them...
>>>>
>>>>Not the Christian Zionists tho. They are a whole other kind of thing
>>>>out
>>>>there.
>>>
>>> i got mixed up, my bad...
>>
>>Look up the stuff I told you. I told ya, I do know quite a whole lot
>>about
>>this, esp since Jeff Gerber was close pals with us before he died -
>>offline,
>>real life. His nephew is in the JTF.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>like making them stop the bombing on
>>>>> Lebanon for one, when they could have taken out hezbollah for
>>>>> good...
>>>>
>>>>The basic US policy regarding Israel - Jeff agreed with me on this,
>>>>should
>>>>just STOP. Israel should simply take care of the problems there -
they
>>>>certainly have the weapons to do it. What are they waiting for? They
>>>>should just DO it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some Jewish leaders are
>>>>>>telling others to hush up about their views on these Christians,
>>>>>>because
>>>>>>these Christians are the ONLY pals they have right now. They are
>>>>>>aware
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>people of other Christian religions (mainline, not fanatic) also see
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>Palestinian cause. Rev Hagee doesn't try to convert Jews because he
>>>>>>believes in some kind of Dual Salvation - i.e., Jews don't have to
go
>>>>>>thru
>>>>>>Jesus to get to God.
>>>>>
>>>>> he's probably in the minority. the majority think if jews don't
>>>>> convert they won't be saved... attempting to convert jews is the
>>>>> same as destroying them with terror, only the method differs...
>>>>
>>>>I agree. Hagee is not trying to convert them - he's one of the
>>>>Christian
>>>>zionist leaders out there. HE's the one that Jewish leaders are
saying
>>>>to
>>>>be nice to. Check out the articles with regard to him, look him up.
>>>>Hagee
>>>>on Israel - look it up.
>>>
>>> ok, ok, i'll look into it... gee wiz, i haven't even finished the
>>> steinlight letter...
>>
>>LOL - print it out.
>
> i did! but i can read maybe 2 or 3 pages at a time before getting
> totally bored and thinking what a waste of time. but i'm still
> trying to read it. honest...
You shouldn't be bored by it if you are interested in Jewish matters.
Hell,
I found it quite interesting and I'm only "sort of" interested.
>
>> Plus you got that book.
>
> hope it's not as boring as the letter...
>
>> Take your time, this is not
>>easy or fast reading. Read it carefully - you will learn a LOT esp if
you
>>are interested in this. It's a lot easier to read things offline, hard
>>copy.
>
> yeah yeah... bottom line is you're mixing american jews with
> israeli jews... american jews care more about america than israel,
> as they should. so they're going to try to influence america to
> favor their kind, as they should and is their right to do. many
> american jews are anti-semitic and care little for israel or
> zionism. for example the neocons that took us to war in iraq
> obviously had their head up their ass as to what israel would
> want, which is iran to get bombed, not iraq...
Agree on that, they had their heads up their *****, alright. I'm against
the lobbies influencing American policy in any way. Imagine if my people
did the same thing. This place would no longer be America. BUT - we
didn't
come here to make the "same old thing as back home" here. We came here
because it was a very nice place to be. We did NOT go to Mexico or Latin
America, nor did we go to Africa. We came to AMERICA. America was an
Anglo Saxon commonwealth - and that is what we LIKED about it. That is
what
it is supposed to be, too. 7 million Islamics are here now trying to make
America into their own ****hole countries. Same with Mexicans here, the
illegals - they just do not and can not fit in. Let them GET OUT. And
the
same for the left wing Jews that changed American domestic policies
against
the wishes of the majority of the people here and ruined many lives by
doing
this - and as Steinlight shows, might ruin THEIR OWN lives due to what
they
did here. People who came here liked what America WAS. They didn't want
it
changed and made in the image of some OTHER place.
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And to think, I thought Century 21 might be more like Star Trek.
BOY,
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>had
>>>>>>my hopes up, alright. Looks like it's a return to the Dark Ages.
>>>>>
>>>>> more like a return to the third reich...
>>>>
>>>>No, not nearly. If that were the case, the cultures of European
>>>>countries
>>>>wouldn't be in danger of vani****ng. It wouldn't be all superstitious
>>>>****,
>>>>either. We have two dark ages fanatic groups at war with each other:
>>>>Christian Zionists and Islamics. Israelis are being WAY too civilized
>>>>about
>>>>all of it. Kehane was HARD line, not liberal at all. He wanted to
fix
>>>>the
>>>>problems permanently.
>>>
>>> well they both want an end of jews as we know them. christians
>>> want to convert them with 'love' and islamists with 'hate'....
>>
>>YES - exactly! And England - mehhhh, that place is GONE. I just read
>>some
>>stuff on England and their Islamics that blew me away.
>
> england is still there... trust me...
Yeah, along with Londonistan. That is what I mean. and Europe might
become
Eurabia if they don't DO something drastic and fast.
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Whatever the case may be, WE can't stay in Iraq forever - and due to
the
>>>>STUPID **** Bush did, if we leave, Iran will take it over.
>>>
>>> i say let them sort the **** out between themselves and if iran
>>> takes over, so be it... it will teach us a lesson not to mess with
>>> other dictator****ps that are keeping islamists in check, even if
>>> not being totally humane about it. you can't be too humane with
>>> those animals, that will slash your throat in a second for saying
>>> a joke about muhammad or what have you...
>>
>>I agree. The USA should get the hell out - and yes, it was ALL in vain,
>>so
>>was Vietnam. A waste of money and lives. I said that all along about
>>Saddam
>>(and got trashed to hell on here for saying it) but I was ****ING RIGHT.
>>What you don't know about the neocon plan tho, they wanted the USA to
>>conquer them, Europe to police them - and some other crazy **** like
that.
>
> neocons and american jews are not israel, tho. they are americans
> and many are anti-israel and fascist, regardless of how jewish
> sounding their last name might be...
American Jews are a lot more leftist - most of them. Israel is Zionist -
and that's right wing.
>
>>They were pipedreaming in fantasyland. Europe is becoming Islamized -
and
>>England is a lost cause. And the boys in the US just do NOT have what
it
>>takes to fight that kind of war. Hell, even the Russians got the hell
>>out -
>>and they used tactics like dropping toys that exploded in kid's hands.
>>>
>>> islamists were already a majority when saddam was there, he just
>>> kept them in check.
>>
>>HELL yes he kept them in check - brutally. That's what it took (and
now
>>the ****tards in the west realize this).
>>
>>if it's true that we sup****t democracy and
>>> majority rule, then we should allow them to have control... but
>>> the international community should respond if they attack israel
>>> or any other country for that matter without provocation...
>>
>>I don't think the international community is too fond of Israel these
days
>
> i know that. the whole world is nazified from CIA influence and
> anti-semitic...
I disagree on that point.
>
>>I tell you, the ONLY pals they really have are those Christian Zionists.
>>I
>>don't want America to be involved in foreign wars unless it's for
>>America -
>>NOT for anyone else. That's the Monroe Doctrine - and it served America
>>well for a long time.
>
> neocons are americans, not israeli. their agenda is pro-america...
> not all americans understand what every other american is doing.
> they're mostly scapegoats of the christian right's agenda so when
> things go wrong they can get the finger pointed at, like that
> scooter libby guy... then bush pardons him anyway... what a joke.
>
>>>
>>>> STUPID **** man.
>>>>Saddam fought a war with Iran for a LONG time. Saddam should have
>>>>remained.
>>>>Israel has the power to take Iran down right now. WHAT are they
waiting
>>>>for?
>>>
>>> for some provocation, i guess... to make it seem fair in front of
>>> the anti-semitic world community that is ready to criticize any of
>>> their moves...
>>
>>Then they are waiting ONCE AGAIN to be "walked into the gas chambers."
>>They
>>are waiting for Iran to get the bomb? Heh. They don't take their big
bad
>>talking seriously? They didn't take Hitler seriously either. That's
what
>>Steinlight is saying to them - especially about their policies (that
>>MacDonald elaborates on) - he's begging them to CHANGE TACTICS.
>
> you seem all worried about israel all of a sudden. don't worry,
> they're big boys and know what to do...
I'm not worried about Israel. I do not want to see ww3. Nuke have a
nasty
tendency to NOT stay where they blow up. The **** spreads. You just said
what I said - basically that they know all too well what the CZs are up
to.
>
>>
>>Pat Buchanan (regarding Jared's theory below) only made public what came
>>out
>>of the "top secret" channels in 1991 or so - that the neocons REALLY DID
>>make this foreign policy - only they wrote that in 1991. They
>>reintroduced
>>it to Bush-Chimp and Bush bought it. That's the truth. Now, heh, well,
I
>>guess Wolfowitz is really out of favor for ****ING UP. BOY did he ****
>>up.
>>These people never denied writing this plan out, 2nd. Pat would be
angry
>>at
>>ANYONE, ANY GROUP that involved America in some foreign war. I agree on
>>that. We don't belong in ANY foreign wars like that.
>
> only ones that benefitted from this war are halliburton and
> cheney's pocketbook...
And anyone else connected to that pocketbook.
>
> octinomos
>
> --
>
> ``Could it be that ... political theater is being staged, very much like
> the wrestling matches on TV, with the so-called neoconservatives and
their
> so-called enemies, such as Pat Buchanan, loudly making public statements
> intended to convince the opponents of US foreign policy actions that
these
> actions are the fault of 'the Jews'?'' --Jared Israel/Emperor's Clothes
>
>
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