Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance?

"Hugh Gibbons" <hugh_gibbons@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Abject SURRENDER in BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan and IMMEDIATE (70 MPH) 
>> withdrawal!
>> Near TOTAL disarmament.

> That's not surrender.

    That IS 100% cowardly SURRENDER! It is quitting, giving up and RUNNING

scared. It ain't nothing else.

>  Surrender is when the enemy defeats you and you  are no longer able to 
> oppose them, and you lay down your arms and let
> them do what they will to you.

    That is ONE kind of surrender and DEFEAT!

>  This is something different,

    Sure it is a different form of surrender. But it is DEFEAT none the 
less.

>something  that you don't seem to understand:

    Oh *I*n understand it all too well.  It has happened before. Is is 
LOSING our courage. And I have even seen it up close and personal when I
was 
in the military. A loud TALKER going into a fight, then it gets ****Y and

they want to lift their skirts and run away SCREAMING into the night. What

all this proves is that America HAS in fact LOST her greatness. We could 
NEVER fight another WW-2. When the going hets tough we CRY to QUIT!

>stopping doing something just because  it is the wrong thing to do.

    But most folks don't really think it IS the "wrong" thing to do.
They're 
just COWARDS!

>  Do you want to push on until we succeed at whatever vague goal you have

> in mind?  Does success justify a wrong
> action?

    First MY goal isn't "vague." secondly I don't think it is wrong. What 
*I* think is wrong is playing stupid political GAMES with war.

    Let me see IF I can communicate with you. I believe we can't, but let
me 
engage in a little intellectual masturbation with you for a minute.

    THE SITUATION:  We have on one side a group of religious FANATICS who 
believe that the world MUST "convert or die." They will continue on that 
path using whatever means they can. YOU seems to think that the behavior( 
Terrorism is BRAND NEW - that George W. Bush CAUSED IT ALL) and have NO
idea 
of the historical roots for it. NONE. If you did you'd know this
fanaticism 
goes back in history even BEFORE Islam was invented, THOUSANDS OF YEARS 
BEFORE!  The tools for this fanaticism have change and THAT is the only 
difference. The insanity has remained a constant as far back in history as

we can do***ent. Thousands of years.

    You think that when Osama Bin Laden says "You must convert to Islam or

die." You think he's kidding or just saying something to say something,
you 
have NO IDEA how fervently he means that. You have NO IDEA the lengths he 
and the other fanatics will go to to make that a reality. 9-11 did NOT 
penetrate the concrete on your (or Ron Paul's) shoulders.

    My position? My vague goal? Not vague or complex at all. When  the 
Fanatics say "convert or die" I say "YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!"  You are NOT
going 
to come to MY country and murder MY countrymen. I'll blow YOUR mother up 
first! I will turn YOUR villages back to sand and poison YOUR land for 
thousands of years. I'll stop you. I heard you and  SCREW your ALLAH and 
I'll raise you 50 megatons!