At my homepage www.rolf-martens.com I've added today, under "News with
brief
comments":
Saturday, 29 March 2008 (NWBC 358) A conflict and a debate at the mailing
list
MLL
2008-03-29, 20:58 GMT:
I've recently sent the following e-mail,
[QUOTE:]
From:
Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date:
den 29 mars 2008 21:25 [Swedish-style; CET]
To:
Waistline2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<Waistline2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Cc:
modern marxism <modern_marxism@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>; MaoZeDong@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>; maoist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>;
marxist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<marxist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>; For the reaffirmation
of
Marxism-Leninism
<marxist-leninist-list@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject:
Re: [MLL] Show cause request No! Show nothing
Thanks a lot for this, Waistline!
I thought so too, that there was no reason for me to show any "cause". See
my
reply, pasted in here after your posting.
And yes, if I do get expelled, I shall inform you.
No need to repeat that you'd be very welcome on the MM list at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/modern_marxism/
- which btw got 9 new
members in
the last 7 days; we're now 47, from 5 continents.
It was nice to read the (MLL) postings by you, Haines and Alex concerning
this
suggested cause-showing.
I'm planning to put together a collection of postings, by various
participants
in the now continued debate - also some earlier ones than those in the
last few
days.
Here just a couple of quotes, indicating something about what political
matters
it is that are (still) under contention, and also about the particular
style of
a couple of "writers", "their" "consistency", etc.
1) Murray (in the guise of "Mark Scott" <mn1scott@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>), date [in
Swedish, with times in CET] den 2 december 2007 05:19 "It just seems to me
that
Rolf is very much a bourgeis apologist by making such denials as AIDs and
global warming when in fact the agents of capitalism are very much
responsible
for these issues."
2) Murray (in the guise of "Mark Scott" <mn1scott@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>), date den 9
december 2007 18:51: "Comrade Calvin, you want to call "Franky" a "spy"
simply
because he detests the sheer stupidity of Rolf's position on his
nonsensical
subject matter but where have you been in all of the discourse with
Melvin's
[it's you, of course, Waistline, that he's calling "Melvin"] revisionist
positions even though you say to have disagreed with it? I have dealt
with
Rolf on another list years ago and have not a single positive thing to say
about him and his nonsense." [See my Info #131en, "The merry Murray 'M-L'
melee" of 21.08.2000, in 8 parts, at
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23131en/U%21%20%23131en%20
1-8.txt etc]
3) Murray (in the guise of "Mark Scott" <mn1scott@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>), date den
27
december 2007 22:18: "Rolf, The question posed to you by Comrade Haines
was why
you thought the assassination of Bhutto was reactionary? I pose the same
question to you, why was it reactionary? Fraternally - Mark"
4) Murray (in the guise of "Mark Scott" <mn1scott@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>), date den
29
december 2007 18:04: "What I find truly incredible here is how so-called
Marxists who clearly repudiate Marxism such as Melvin has and the utter
ridiculous non-sense of the likes of Rolf can be appreciated by Taimur
[Taimur
Rahman <redpak2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Pakistan, party secretary in Punjab of the
CMKP]
who so arrogantly thinks he is some kind of gift to Marxism would even
consider
such an "alliance" with these revisionists. I guess the saying does fit,
"birds of a feather flock together"!"
5) Murray (in the guise of "frankenstein580" <frankied002@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>),
date den
30 december 2007 01:02: "I wish nothing more awful on our Pakistani
Comrades
than for any one of them to engage this element WAISTLINE in any type of
reasonable discourse. They will see for themselves what WAISTLINE really
is.
This Rolf guy who calls me, f580, a ghost writer and bourgeois
reactionary is
really a Maoist asswhole, and the MLL should consider throwing him out as
well.
I don't care how much **** he writes, I shall not take him seriously and
I
believe that he should restrain himself to his own web site who nobody
visits.
He's a provocateur."
6) Murray (in the guise of "frankenstein580" <frankied002@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>),
date den
25 mars 2008 03:47 [To Waistline]: "And I'll tell you some more you ****n
piece
of **** racist muther****er you come talking your racist **** in front of
my
face and I'll **** you up. I'm responsible to nobody you racist rat
muther****er."
There's much more of the same sort, but it would probably bore people if I
continued. As I said, my reply to Charles and the MLL Moderator Panel
follows
after your message.
Rolf
----- Original Message -----
From: <Waistline2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: <marxist-leninist-list@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MLL] Show cause request No! Show nothing
> To Comrade Rolf
>
> Do not show just cause and immediately inform me if you are expelled
from
> the list.
>
> Please.
>
> Waistline
[QUOTE:]
From:
Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date:
den 29 mars 2008 19:06
To:
Charles F. Moreira <cfm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>; For the reaffirmation of
Marxism-Leninism <marxist-leninist-list@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Cc:
modern marxism <modern_marxism@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>; MaoZeDong@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>; maoist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>;
marxist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<marxist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Subject:
Re: Show cause request [A mail to the list MLL and me from Charles F.
Moreira]
Hello, Charles and the MLL Moderator Panel (Cc the mailing lists Modern
Marxism, MaoZedong, maoist and Marxist),
I don't think that the below request of yours has any justification, or
that it
would be suitable for me to comply with it.
Concerning certain links which I provided, as arguments for my maintaining
that
certain addresses of "writers" to MLL did not correspond to any existing
persons or organizations but were those of "cyber ghosts", links which you
say
don't work, I shall gladly provide them again, hoping they may work this
time:
They were firstly to my "UNITE! Info #131en: The merry Murray 'M-L'
melee", of
21.08.2000, in 8 parts, at:
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23131en/U%21%20%23131en%20
1-8.txt
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23131en/U%21%20%23131en%20
2-8.txt
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23131en/U%21%20%23131en%20
3-8.txt
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23131en/U%21%20%23131en%20
4-8.txt
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23131en/U%21%20%23131en%20
5-8.txt
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23131en/U%21%20%23131en%20
6-8.txt
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23131en/U%21%20%23131en%20
7-8.txt
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23131en/U%21%20%23131en%20
8-8.txt
And secondly to my "UNITE! Info #311en: A debate on 'cyber ghosts', Mao
Zedong's line and how to unite", of 14.03.2008, at:
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/webstyle1/unite_info_311en.html
Rolf M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles F. Moreira" <cfm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
To: "For the reaffirmation of Marxism-Leninism"
<marxist-leninist-list@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Cc: "Rolf Martens" <rolf.martens@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: Show cause request
> Rolf Martens,
>
> The Moderators of the Marxist Leninist List ask you to show cause why
you
> should not be expelled from the list.
>
> You have repeatedly accused certain members of this list to be certain
> reactionaries, namely a certain "Murray" without substantiation.
>
> The links to alleged proof you have provided do not work.
>
> You have recently taken delight in the heated debates taking place here
> and you've called upon others on other lists to join and participate,
> effectively creating further dissention on this list.
>
> The purpose of the Marxist Leninist List is to enable the re-affirmation
> of Marxism Leninism through fraternal discussion and debate on
> ideological, startegic and tactical issues in current situations in
> different places, and not a place to pick a virtual bar brawl.
>
> We await your reply on why you should not be expelled and we welcome
other
> list members' views on your expulsion.
>
> In the mean time, your posts have been put on moderation.
>
> The Moderators Panel
> Marxist-Leninist List
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Message posted by:
Rolf Martens
Malmö, Sweden
Phone and fax:
+46 - 40 - 124832;
rolf.martens@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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