Damn you still here. I'd though you'd be in jail by now for exposing
yourself to women on the tube.
I've spent the last few months liftin major weights, studying the most
advanced forms of kung fu around. My fists are like ****ing thunder.
I'm ****in harder than before and ready to teach you clowns a lesson.
And I'm gonna start with you **** face.
I'll be at the next Labor Black League Reader circle. Will you?
Labor Black League Readers Circle
Mumia Abu-Jamal Is Innocent! Free Him Now! Abolish the Racist Death
Penalty!
Presentation on Mumia=92s case and a re****t back on the
international demonstrations of April 19-26
Come to our Workers Vanguard Readers Circle discussion
on the article on Mumia Abu-Jamal in this issue.
Tuesday, April 29, 6 p.m.
299 Broadway, Suite 318
(north of Chambers Street)
Time to rock and roll homeboy.
On Apr 28, 10:17=A0am, Vngelis <meberr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 27, 3:17 pm, stephen <srdiam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 27, 2:41 pm, Vngelis <meberr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 25, 10:43 am, nada <dwalters...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On Apr 25, 2:35 am, Vngelis <meberr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > Each state which has been created out of settlers except the USA
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> > > > > Bolivia, S.Africa, Zimbabwe etc will naturally go through an
> > > > > indigenous phase ie the settlers will at some point in time
either=
be
> > > > > thrown out or victimised. Once that happens they can then return
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> > > > > they do under different conditions.
> > > > > This can be seen to have occurred in a series of African
countries=
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> > > > > from Egypt, to Uganda now in Zimbabwe.
> > > > > Settlers by their very nature are alien to the weak nation
states =
they
> > > > > live in. They dont stop being settlers because they have been
ther=
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> > > > > for centuries. An indian in South Africa remains an indian
despite=
and
> > > > > against all those who profess he isn't one in order to justify
> > > > > 'multicultural' settler states.
> > > > > That is why eg the Sparts do not seek the independence and
separat=
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> > > > > of the Blacks in the USA. They see this as undermining US
imperial=
ism
> > > > > and do not want to go down that route. After all they are the
ones=
who
> > > > > characterise resistance based on what comes next not what is
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> > > > > now. As if the future determined the present and not the other
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> > > > > round.
> > > > Well that was interesting. Hmmm....so...you see Indians in S.
Africa=
> > > > as "settlers"?
> > > > If they were brought as indentured servants (as they were in
places
> > > > like S. Africa, Fiji, etc) how can they be settlers?
> > > > David
> > > You need to explain how third generation Indians were expelled with
> > > such ease and with such popular sup****t in Uganda under Idi Amin
Dada.=
> > > They left with only a suitcase. But then again I assume because they
> > > were third generation they now became indigenous?
> > > So in Bolivia today the European descendants who want to break the
> > > country up shouldn't be expelled back to Europe?
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> > Is the issue here merely the factual one as to whether the Indians
> > came as indentured servants, which David says every political person
> > knows, but you challenge, and I know nothing about. (Then, I probably
> > don't count as 'political.') This should be easy enough to resolve. Or
> > are you saying that regardless of how the Indians got there, expelling
> > them was justified, based on mass sup****t for the expulsions?
> > srd
>
> The problem is that 'nationality' tends to be fluid. Combine with this
> the idea that of Vngelis that anyone not native, in his view, having
> *evolved* indigenously, is a "settler". In fact, the Turks were very
> late comers to the area they now occupy, as Vngelis knows full well.
> The Trojans were *Greeks*, not Turks...Turks didn't even exist this
> side of Armenia. So who is the "settler" and why is relevant...or does
> Vs definition include the original ionians who settled Greece...before
> Greece? At what point do people stop being "settlers" and start being
> a member of the nation (ALL of whom are only few hundred years old)?
>
> John H. pointed out (I think it was him) that even now one can argue
> that all the descendent's of Europeans/Asia/Africa =A0in the Western
> Hemisphere were "settlers"...what does this mean in terms present day
> politics and how does this help us organize the class?
>
> He argues (as NO ONE else does) that the 100% Europeans (there are
> none, actually, but let's step into Vngelis fantasy for ****s and
> giggles) in the eastern prefectures of Boliva (Santa Cruz) should be
> expelled "back to Europe". [Does this include people like Guillermo
> Lora, the founder of Bolivian Trotskyism?].
>
> The left in Bolivia, the working class and peasantry specifically,
> understands the absurd *distraction* that someone the likes of Vngelis
> would play in Bolivia today. They know, as they have expressed it,
> that the issue is *control* by the indigenous majority over the mixed-
> and "blanco" oligarchy. Of course for V to *seriously* raise it, which
> he does not, except in the virtual reality world of APST, he would
> play the role of AGENT for the Oligarchy which would love to try to
> incite race-hatred against them so they can try to capture the moral
> high ground as an argument to bring in peace-keepers and to raise the
> cry of "autonomy" but backed up by international sentiment (or,
> rather, excuses).
>
> To my knowledge, no whites have been "expelled' from South Africa,
> period. Why should they? They still run the place but with cronies
> from the ANC in their stead. Even here, the Black Consciousness
> movement in AZAPO, PAC and SAPO do not call for anyone to be
> "expelled" to my knowledge, rather again, it's "Black majority rule"
> something they still don't have because of the Meach Lake Accords that
> granted "privileges" to the white minority.
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