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Re: On the Settler Question

by Vngelis <meberry68@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 29, 2008 at 03:12 PM

On Apr 28, 12:05 pm, "Stephen R. Diamond" <srdiam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:

> If blacks certain blacks were elevated into the Boer caste--almost
> oxymoronic, but consider the point--those blacks would properly be
treated
> as if they were Boers. You could say, "How ridiculous. Members of the
> indigenous people suddenly become settlers." That would be an
> ideologically nationalist argument.

> srd

But Boers were classic "Settlers" in a way, as were white N. Americans
and Zionists, who even called their members "settlers". Of course they
were not Dutch after a hundred years because of cultural drift, but
they viewed themselves for a long long time as "Europeans".

My point is that no segment I'm aware of in the nationalist Left in S.
Africa calls for their expulsion. They want an end to their power and
exploitation, they want Black majority rule. V is hung up on
collective punishment and creating...more immigration.

David


Who coined the phrase One Settler One Bullet? The leftist PAC didn't
it?
Now did that mean everyone APART from the Boers? I think not.
Whether they call for it now is another issue. The issue was that it
was raised by sections of the black liberation movement. Now the
nonsense that 'whites' still run S Africa therefore they will never be
expelled is like arguing capitalism is eternal as it has been around
for 3 odd centuries.
For young nations to develop they have to develop within their own
specific socio-cultural space hence the experience of modern Turkey
under Ataturk and Algeria under the FLN are the examples which all
countries at that level of economic development are destined to
follow.
 




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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-04-28 07:16:43 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-07 16:27:22 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-08 14:41:21 
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"Stephen R. Diamond&  2008-05-07 23:37:07 
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"Stephen R. Diamond&  2008-05-08 03:12:02 
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"Stephen R. Diamond&  2008-05-08 19:05:41 
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"Stephen R. Diamond&  2008-05-09 02:43:57 
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dave.walters@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-09 10:16:40 
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"Stephen R. Diamond&  2008-05-10 00:44:14 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-09 22:12:13 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-10 08:26:14 
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"Stephen R. Diamond&  2008-05-10 17:47:49 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-10 18:17:00 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-10 18:21:00 
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"Stephen R. Diamond&  2008-05-11 17:27:45 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-11 17:26:26 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-12 01:06:27 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-12 01:15:21 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-12 03:15:16 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-14 03:06:41 
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