On Apr 29, 3:12 pm, Vngelis <meberr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 12:05 pm, "Stephen R. Diamond" <srdiam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
> > If blacks certain blacks were elevated into the Boer caste--almost
> > oxymoronic, but consider the point--those blacks would properly be
treated
> > as if they were Boers. You could say, "How ridiculous. Members of the
> > indigenous people suddenly become settlers." That would be an
> > ideologically nationalist argument.
> > srd
>
> But Boers were classic "Settlers" in a way, as were white N. Americans
> and Zionists, who even called their members "settlers". Of course they
> were not Dutch after a hundred years because of cultural drift, but
> they viewed themselves for a long long time as "Europeans".
>
> My point is that no segment I'm aware of in the nationalist Left in S.
> Africa calls for their expulsion. They want an end to their power and
> exploitation, they want Black majority rule. V is hung up on
> collective punishment and creating...more immigration.
>
> David
>
> Who coined the phrase One Settler One Bullet? The leftist PAC didn't
> it?
> Now did that mean everyone APART from the Boers? I think not.
> Whether they call for it now is another issue. The issue was that it
> was raised by sections of the black liberation movement. Now the
> nonsense that 'whites' still run S Africa therefore they will never be
> expelled is like arguing capitalism is eternal as it has been around
> for 3 odd centuries.
> For young nations to develop they have to develop within their own
> specific socio-cultural space hence the experience of modern Turkey
> under Ataturk and Algeria under the FLN are the examples which all
> countries at that level of economic development are destined to
> follow.
So...in your rodent way of twisting what your opponent says, you now
see that I do cal Boers settlers, and N. Americans (which you rodent
like, ignore) and the Zionist settler population in occupied
Palestine.
But your definition for Vietnamese boat people, most of whom left
because the didn't want to live under the unified Vietnamese gov't,
could traitors, could be anti-communists, but we now agree, finally,
that they are not "settlers". The rat comes out from under his putrid
rock.
Nations do not develop mono-racially...or even mono-culturally. They
get created through a process of uniting different peoples, often.
China is an example of that. Even though no one language is dominant
(Manderin, Cantonese, Korean, Tibetan, Shangauese, etc etc) through
the process of the fight for *national* liberation they forged one
nation. Usually this occurs via class society, sometimes in the above
way like China. Some nations are simply not: there are no "Spanish".
There are Basques and Catalan and Galicanos, etc. That is why the left
in the "Spanish state" says "state", recognizing as they have since
the 1930s that the state encomp***** many nations. Regardless, no one
is a 'settler' there.
The process of struggle by the PAC (which was a minority of the
liberation forces in S. Africa) used for while the "One Settler, One
Bullet". They never really engaged the Settler regime this way but i
can understand their "perpsective". They never tried to seriously
implement it. Now, the struggle is against the ANC regime, and it's
diffuse, centrifugal and for the moment it's somewhat stagnant. This,
of course, is the legacy of Stalnism, IMO, but it's another
discussion.
But the bullet context was one of "Armed Struggle". Something no group
that I'm aware of seriously projects this anymore except some Maoists
who got lost someplace. But the slogan was never a strategy. If is,
or rather was, I'd be interested in your source on this. The struggle
there was one of mass action, organizing strikes, assaults on town****p
police stations, etc. The attacks were organized by the Black m*****
to overthrow the racist white settler gov't. In the program of the BC
groups I never saw a mentioned of expelling the settlers. Even in
their *program* the one bullet concept was used more as a haiku to sow
terror into the mostly rural Afrikanner settlers. But it had little to
do with state power.
When you write: "Now the nonsense that 'whites' still run S Africa
therefore they will never be expelled is like arguing capitalism is
eternal as it has been around
for 3 odd centuries."
Whites still don't run S. Africa? You better look again and see what
cor****ations are the biggest. Some token black ANcers have worked
their way up the white cor****ate ladder and some ANC officers were
incor****ated into the Apartheid era army (which still exists) but
white capitlalist STILL run the country. I did also didn't write that
they wouldn't be expelled. I think in the coming revolution a lot of
people will FLEE...because the class enemy always flee...when haven't
they? And I suspect the Anglo and Afrikaner S. Africans will flee was
well as their power it permanently disenfranchised. I think most
Asians (Indians and Pakistanies will stay) as they ARE S. Africans and
generally were involved in the anti-racist struggle. We'll see.
D
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