On May 7, 9:43=A0am, John Holmes <jhol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Wed, 7 May 2008, nada wrote:
>
> > Well, in the US I don't know of any group that *agitates for open
> > borders*. None that I know of including immigrant rights groups, let
> > alone the broadly defined "Left". Plus, "open borders" is like the
> > principal of free speech or workers control under the Dictator****p of
> > the Proletariat. These are all subodrinate to the defense of the State
> > against imperialist intervention. It would be interesting to see
> > others chime in on this question.
>
> Ditto that, though I suspect if you look around enough, you'll find
> some group or other still arguing for "open borders," which used to be
> a more popular position on the American left back when it was more
> leftist. In America, unlike parts of Europe perhaps, foreign
> immigration is unpopular these days, except among the immigrants
> themselves and their relatives.
>
> For those interested in ancient archives of APST, this question has
> been discussed here many times before, long long ago...
>
> According to my hazy memory, Dave has changed his position from the
> one he was arguing lo those many years ago, and changed it in a good
> way.
>
> -jh-
John, "Remind me what my old position was and I how I changed
it"...early senility. As I recall (never good you see) my "position is
the same", that is I'm against all borders. I do defend the right of
workers states and developing countries to control their borders
against imperialism. But "positions" and "agitation/campaigning" are
often two different things.
David
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