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On Wed, 7 May 2008, nada wrote:
> On May 7, 9:43=A0am, John Holmes <jhol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 May 2008, nada wrote:
>>
>>> Well, in the US I don't know of any group that *agitates for open
>>> borders*. None that I know of including immigrant rights groups, let
>>> alone the broadly defined "Left". Plus, "open borders" is like the
>>> principal of free speech or workers control under the Dictator****p of
>>> the Proletariat. These are all subodrinate to the defense of the State
>>> against imperialist intervention. It would be interesting to see
>>> others chime in on this question.
>>
>> Ditto that, though I suspect if you look around enough, you'll find
>> some group or other still arguing for "open borders," which used to be
>> a more popular position on the American left back when it was more
>> leftist. In America, unlike parts of Europe perhaps, foreign
>> immigration is unpopular these days, except among the immigrants
>> themselves and their relatives.
>>
>> For those interested in ancient archives of APST, this question has
>> been discussed here many times before, long long ago...
>>
>> According to my hazy memory, Dave has changed his position from the
>> one he was arguing lo those many years ago, and changed it in a good
>> way.
>>
>> -jh-
>
> John, "Remind me what my old position was and I how I changed
> it"...early senility. As I recall (never good you see) my "position is
> the same", that is I'm against all borders. I do defend the right of
> workers states and developing countries to control their borders
> against imperialism. But "positions" and "agitation/campaigning" are
> often two different things.
>
> David
>
I *think* you were defending the open borders slogan some ten years or=20
so ago, or at least criticizing me when I argued against it.
Or maybe that was somebody else.
-jh-
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