On May 7, 10:46=A0am, John Holmes <jhol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Wed, 7 May 2008, nada wrote:
> > On May 7, 9:43=A0am, John Holmes <jhol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 7 May 2008, nada wrote:
>
> >>> Well, in the US I don't know of any group that *agitates for open
> >>> borders*. None that I know of including immigrant rights groups, let
> >>> alone the broadly defined "Left". Plus, "open borders" is like the
> >>> principal of free speech or workers control under the Dictator****p
of
> >>> the Proletariat. These are all subodrinate to the defense of the
State=
> >>> against imperialist intervention. It would be interesting to see
> >>> others chime in on this question.
>
> >> Ditto that, though I suspect if you look around enough, you'll find
> >> some group or other still arguing for "open borders," which used to
be
> >> a more popular position on the American left back when it was more
> >> leftist. In America, unlike parts of Europe perhaps, foreign
> >> immigration is unpopular these days, except among the immigrants
> >> themselves and their relatives.
>
> >> For those interested in ancient archives of APST, this question has
> >> been discussed here many times before, long long ago...
>
> >> According to my hazy memory, Dave has changed his position from the
> >> one he was arguing lo those many years ago, and changed it in a good
> >> way.
>
> >> -jh-
>
> > John, "Remind me what my old position was and I how I changed
> > it"...early senility. As I recall (never good you see) my "position is
> > the same", that is I'm against all borders. I do defend the right of
> > workers states and developing countries to control their borders
> > against imperialism. But "positions" and "agitation/campaigning" are
> > often two different things.
>
> > David
>
> I *think* you were defending the open borders slogan some ten years or
> so ago, or at least criticizing me when I argued against it.
>
> Or maybe that was somebody else.
>
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Oh..eah, that was me :)
dAvid
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