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Re: Massive Starvation For World Feared Over Myanmar And Chile

by Vngelis <meberry68@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 8, 2008 at 03:40 PM

On May 8, 12:33 pm, dusty <trackdu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 8, 8:00 pm, Vngelis <meberr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > Global Famine
> > by Michel Chossudovsky
> > Global Research, May 2, 2008
>
> I remember a discussion some 20 years ago in the pages of the
> theoretical journal of the =93Slaughter WRP=94 as to the question of the
> =93stagnation of the productive forces under modern imperialism =96 at
the=

> time much of it was a rather abstract discussion. So much of this
> article is testimony to that thesis: the capacity is there (the
> productive forces) but the contradictions in the capitalist system are
> leading increasingly to an impasse in the distribution of those
> benefits to the people.
>
> One aspect he tends to by-pass is the impact of the crisis in the US
> dollar in driving the speculative mania in the grain markets. In the
> 1973-4 oil crisis, following on from the Nixon devaluation of the $US
> =96 in fact cutting it adrift from gold altogether and subsequently
> seeing it devalue, the price of all basic commodities, including
> grains, minerals and so on skyrocketed. As Marx said, in a crisis all
> seek to exchange money for commodities that congeal real value. That
> is what happens in Chicago now.
>
> I presume that the stated motive of the IMF/World Bank neo-liberal
> aficionados regarding the restructure of the agricultural mix of third
> world (and other) countries was the principle of comparative advantage
> =96 get out of staple food production and leave this to the prairies =96
> produce flowers and oranges for the European/US markets. What a sad
> climax to this misused policy.

Cyril Smith was always a hard read. The issue of the productive forces
was an issue which developed in the mid-1980's with the full climax of
the de-industrialisation of Britain. I remember of few of them well.
They were linked to another topic as to whether stalinism was
counterrevolutionary through and through. The Transitional Programme
was taken as gospel and bits of it taken out of context and advanced
in such a manner to justify present political machinations ie their
position via Dave Temple of sup****ting the Scargill leader****p.

There never was a real discussion on the productive forces. Even when
Trotsky wrote the Transitional Programme the productive forces were
stagnant but during WW2 the USA developed but the world in general
didn't.

Ted Turner once stated there are too many people on earth. By
investing in basic commodities and wiping out millions they probably
seek to achieve two things...
 




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Massive Starvation For World Feared Over Myanmar And Chile
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-08 02:36:30 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-08 02:50:04 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-08 03:00:52 
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dusty <trackdusty@[EMA  2008-05-08 04:33:33 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-09 00:07:40 
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dave.walters@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-08 13:35:13 
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"Mr. Green Jeans&quo  2008-05-08 15:14:59 
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