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Re: Massive Starvation For World Feared Over Myanmar And Chile

by John Holmes <jholmes@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 8, 2008 at 08:30 PM

On Fri, 9 May 2008, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:


>...
> While I certainly don't deny the influence of capitalist machinations in
> this whole affair, the thing that strikes me mostly is how
> painstakingly, through the whole board of the discussion about food and
> famine, the subject of overpopulation is avoided. This goes for the
> general subject of poverty as well. At the same time, countries that
> attempt to implement rational measures to control their populations, to
> wit control of births, are scoffed at (like China) or even hindered
> (like some African countries).
> The Earth is ****ing overcrowded. In rich countries as well as in poor
> ones (only it is more flagrant in poor ones). The last article posted by
> Vngelis claims that global agricultural production is sufficient to
> nourish the staggering six-plus billion. Maybe it is (although one would
> have to ask additionally: what's "enough"? Is a bowl of rice enough?).
> But there's more to life than food.
>
> We live in a finite world. As well as everything else, resources are
> limited. The more entities resources have to be distributed among, the
> lesser each entity has. Not only food, but also energy and space. Should
> be simple enough to understand.
>
> Yet the Earth's population is projected to grow -- how much? I tend to
> forget marish figures -- staggeringly over the next very decades. Will
> agricultural output rise fast enough to sup****t twice as much as today
> -- and even more?
> Maybe. But tell me this: when it comes to the point where the whole
> biomass is part of the human nutrition cycle; where each atom is in
> either soil or fertiliser or crop or cattle or food or crap, ergo no
> "nature"; where we all have to live in six-tatami rooms (if we're lucky)
> -- when it comes to this, what the **** are we supposed to live FOR?!
>
> Birth control is one of the most critical issues of our time (and one of
> the greatest taboo at that). It is generally critical, for political
> reasons: scarcity leads to inequality, inequality to oppression. But is
> even more critical in our time, for the Earth's ecosystem is on the
> verge of being lastingly harmed. Species are disappearing at a
> frightening rate. Pollution and desertification are rampant.
> If we don't take control over our numbers in our hands, nature will. If
> we do not control our births, eventually nature will control life --
> through starvation. No amount of "regulation" of speculations will
> change that. And it applies to capitalist or socialist/communist
> societies alike.
>
> -- 
> DF.
>
Does this have anything to do with your advocacy of mass murder in 
another thread?

-jh-
 




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Massive Starvation For World Feared Over Myanmar And Chile
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-08 02:36:30 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-08 02:50:04 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-08 03:00:52 
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dusty <trackdusty@[EMA  2008-05-08 04:33:33 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-09 00:07:40 
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dave.walters@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-08 13:35:13 
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"Mr. Green Jeans&quo  2008-05-08 15:14:59 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-09 02:50:28 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-08 15:40:15 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-08 15:45:58 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-09 02:48:09 
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dusty <trackdusty@[EMA  2008-05-08 15:46:38 
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dusty <trackdusty@[EMA  2008-05-08 17:05:45 
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dusty <trackdusty@[EMA  2008-05-08 17:44:02 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-09 03:13:13 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-05-08 20:30:29 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-09 23:19:32 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-09 01:55:41 
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dusty <trackdusty@[EMA  2008-05-09 04:33:49 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-10 05:08:07 
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rab <rogeralanblackwel  2008-05-09 04:39:28 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-05-09 15:17:25 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-10 01:29:48 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-05-09 17:35:23 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-10 03:44:14 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-10 03:46:13 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-05-09 20:29:28 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-10 07:22:04 
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John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-05-10 00:57:24 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-10 13:39:54 
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"Stephen R. Diamond&  2008-05-10 18:17:26 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-10 08:18:22 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-11 00:41:57 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-11 00:53:48 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-11 10:31:08 
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Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-11 13:22:36 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-11 01:57:46 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-11 04:39:39 
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