Re: Massive Starvation For World Feared Over Myanmar And Chile

See, THIS is why I stick around. The day Vngelis calls it quits, I'm
outta here...

On May 10, 8:18=A0am, Vngelis <meberr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> First we had Walters arguing there were no settlers anywhere on earth
> as we could not go back in time to dertermine a settler as their
> presence means due to their past they cant now be classified
> as ...settlers.

The second reason I"m around is Vngelis' Excercize in Creative
Writing. So, let's review, one-step-at-a-time:

No, I never stated there were "no settlers anywhere in the world". You
said "eveyone in teh world is a settler if they can't get notorized,
certified do***entation that they've live in an area for the past 30
geneations...". Or something like that. Anyone?

> Then we had the story that the PAC didn't actually call for 'One
> Settler One Bullet' as they didn't actually mean the white settlers.

No,they didn't. According the PAC themselves it was never part of
their "program" only something that showed up ad-hoc by their
sup****ters. Hey, go argue with them, not me.

> Finally we have the Holmes version. Anyone who aint got Indian blood
> is a settler.

Now, V, wipe your mouth after you throw please. John was basically
giving the "Vngelis test for national loyalty". He's correctly
restating what YOU said. Now, go on...

> Who settlers are =A0and what they represent will be decided on which
> side of the fence they sit when the nations that make up countries are
> torn asunder by civil wars. When the descendants of european settlers
> in Bolivia vote for autonomy ie to split the country up, or like the
> Croats did to become non-Yugoslav a conflict develops and in that
> conflict one takes sides even theoretically if one cannot do so
> practically. The Spart line was 'neutrality' ie to sup****t US
> imperialism.

No one can accuse of me of being a Spart-Symp but that was not their
position. Actually, V, don't ya know, EVERY white guy in Santa-Cruz is
mixed European/Indian. In fact, if you'd only pay attention to the
articles you yourself posted from the Guardian, they talk about the
"Indigenous vs Metixzo" line. Like I noted, the "whiteness" of these
capitalists and rightwingers often changes depending on the point they
try to make. Sometimes they like to flout their 'mixed heritage'
sometimes, and in real life, they draw a sharp color line. That they
are "settlers" or "Bolivians" is not even a question in Bolivia...it's
that the rich, WHITE, assholes are trying to split up Bolivia. I too
will lose no sleep if they are attacked, killed, driven away or given
a shovel to do some honest work. However, that's up to the working
class and peasant m***** of Bolivia and will be base, no doubt, on the
kind of resistance they get from their CLASS enemy. But I doubt you
will see raised outside the sort of academic article posted by you the
'settler' issue.

> The previous Bolivian president fled the country if I am not mistake
> and went straigh to Miami. Why do you think that is?
> a) he had too much Indian blood in him
> b) he had none
> c) he was pro-American

C. What do I win? That was the point...it was his POLITICS. The
ecuadorean m*****, even more indigenous, drove out their 100% INDIAN
prez for the same reason the Bolivians did.

> If a Bolivian revolution occurs and Morales isn't part of the Bolivian
> revolution but part of the containment of it, then for the Bolivan
> nation to remain united it has to clear the oligarchs. A majority of
> them are decendants of white settlers, as they are also in South
> Africa as they were in Zimbabwe etc. If Morales doesn't attack them
> other forces will. Either which way an historical impasse is being
> created and an op****utinty has arisen. The autonomy vote may be the
> straw that broke the camels back. I hope so. Now if they resist
> militarily and they are then defeated and shot I will lose no sleep
> over it.

So...that they are "settlers" or "Bolivian Oligarchs" or "Martians" is
of course totally irrelevant to what might happen to them.

D.


> vngelis