On May 12, 2:33=A0am, Vngelis <meberr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 12, 10:09 am, nada <dwalters...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 1:18 am, Vngelis <meberr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > On May 12, 2:08 am, nada <dwalters...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 11, 3:38 pm, Vngelis <meberr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 11, 11:51 am, nada <dwalters...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 11, 2:59 am, dusty <trackdu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 11, 7:07 pm, nada <dwalters...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On May 5, 3:41 pm, Vngelis <meberr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 3, 4:43 pm, Einde O'Callaghan
<einde.ocallag...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > > > > > > > interkom.de> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Vngelis wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > A wonderfully authoritative source - sounds a bit like
A=
PST.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Einde O'Callaghan
>
> > > > > > > > > From the group that debates with people on the Pentagon
pa=
yroll and
> > > > > > > > > feeds off imperialist universities then yes it isn't as
au=
thoritative
> > > > > > > > > as those institutions.
> > > > > > > > > That is probably to its credit even if it isn't labelled
m=
arxist by
> > > > > > > > > the editors of MIA...
> > > > > > > > > vngelis
>
> > > > > > > > APST feeds of imperialist universities? What am I missing.
I=
'm
> > > > > > > > thinking of getting the MIA group to bold face Vngelis
name =
in our
> > > > > > > > volunteer list. What do people think? Good?
>
> > > > > > > > D.
>
> > > > > > > Are you genuine in making this remark - or just being a bit
sm=
art arse
> > > > > > > at Vngelis' expense?
>
> > > > > > Definetly a smart-ass. And most definetly at his expense.
>
> > > > > > > He is clearly refering to the UK SWP - who infest
> > > > > > > the universities and presumably feed off the revenues
derived
> > > > > > > therefrom.
>
> > > > > > OK. I really don't know much about the SWP there, just that
they=
are
> > > > > > historically university based and very big. And they were in
Res=
pect
> > > > > > for a while.
>
> > > > > > > And are you also saying thay the university "academics" of
> > > > > > > the west today are not at best very mediocre (dumbed down)
and=
at
> > > > > > > worst handmaidens of transnational capitalism. Wasn't always
s=
o -
> > > > > > > there used to be the odd academic who had the guts to stand
up=
against
> > > > > > > all that ****. VERY rare today.-
>
> > > > > > OK, don't follow too much what goes on. I'm intersested in
stude=
nt
> > > > > > activism which is still very im****tant. But don't know that
much=
about
> > > > > > the role of the profs there. Really.
>
> > > > > > And, since he never intends to stop =A0attempting to denigrate
w=
hat is
> > > > > > arguably the most valuable Marxist online resource around (and
> > > > > > something he contributed too), the MIA, I guess I'll keep it
up.=
>
> > > > > > David
>
> > > > > Fukuyama is a state department official.
> > > > > How did he get to have public meetings with the SWP-UK?
>
> > > > > Whatever next a public meeting in an American Embassy of the
'fall=
of
> > > > > communism' which they cheered?
> > > > > vngelis- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > BTW...do you think the eastern European workers states are still
> > > > workers states?
>
> > > > D.
>
> > > From 'No Platform for Fascists' to platforms with ...US Embassy
> > > officials.
> > > I'm sure Fukuyama was an 'authoritative source' having been feted by
> > > US-UK academia.
> > > No wonder the SWP 'legal marxists' such as Callinicos rush to
'debate'=
> > > with him.
> > > It looks good for their CV...
> > > vngelis- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > How is Fukuama exactly? An SWPer?
>
> > First, who one debates and sharing a platform are two different
> > things. If one were to sit in the national assembly in France, I
> > assume one would be 'debateing' Fasctist National Frontists all the
> > time. Are we talking about something like the Oxford Union? "Debating"
> > on the same platform is hardly a matter of principal so long as it
> > doesn't restrict what one does outside the debate. We used to fight to
> > get the Zionist to debate us on campus whenever possible.
>
> > David
>
> Einde highlighted that Pravda isn't an essentially highly
> authoritative source.
> I answered in kind no more no less than the people the SWP-UK use to
> derive their 'policies' from.
>
> I have stated what purpose I think MIA contributes.
> I have contributed to other sites which are Soros orientated/funded
> like Indymedia.
> I have also written letters to globalist rags.
>
> More to the point why does MIA deal with someone who is according to
> you a fascist?
You mean you? Because you contributed some texts. We get "OKs" from
big bourgois publishers to reprint Trotsky, to cite one example.
Doesn't make Trotsky a bourgeois or his writings, but they "own" them.
So we have to deal with them. We work with them to get the texts. We
delt with you because you did some translations. I would never appear
on the same *political* platform voluntarily with you and in a
political coalition I might urge it to expel you or cut relations
(such as an anti-war committee). I don't know, it's all hypothetical.
Maybe we wouldn't. I went to a pro-Serbia demonstration in San
Francisco (there are a big Serbian-American community in the Bay Area
as it happens) against the NATO bombing and the dismemberment of
Yugoslavia and their were all sorts of pro- and openly Chetinik/
Fascist banners, signs and slogans, includng a popular one "Down with
Communism", with "US-Chetniks" on them, US flags, It was mostly NOT
Serbian-American so but I guess you can say I 'shared a demonstration'
with fascists. I have mixed feelings about this. Was organized by
Workers World, I think.
> I thought you had a 'No Platform Policy'?
I never stated that that, you are confusing me with someone else. I'm
for running fascists out of town and confronting them. I always liked
what the Spartacists did in Wa****ngton DC when they organized
thousands to run the Klan out of town (the Klan's main thing these
days is to attack immigrants, in case you were wondering). So...yeah,
I DO have a "No Platform Policy" for my political activisist side. (I
actually never heard of this "no platform" thing until you brought it
up, it's an interesting concept. It's kind of like "not mixing
banners").
David
|
