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Re: Mass murder, jokes and immigration [WAS: Re: Massive Starvation

by Vngelis <meberry68@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 13, 2008 at 03:50 PM

On May 13, 9:54 pm, stephen <srdiam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 11, 2:33 pm, John Holmes <jhol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > Does an influx of immigrants ****ft the labor market to the detriment
of the
> > non-immigrants? That is good economics. But in determining political
> > slogans it is ultimately politics that should be the determinant.
>
> Who says they're _political_ slogans and not economic ones. Achieving
> unity between immigrants and non-immigrants isn't necessarily the key
> task, although affirmatively dividing the class is always bad. Whether
> it is the key task, as you say, is exactly what this whole immigration
> discussion has been about.
>
>
>
> > It is necessary to find slogans that unite the immigrant and the
> > non-immigrant sectors of the working class vs. the ruling class.
>
> srd

Unity in the past was always achieved in defending old gains and
aiming to extend them for all not aiming to bolt conditions to the
floor by pronouncing to all and sundry that open borders is the
magical key to solve all social problems.
Trying to get the best conditions for labour not praising the worst as
if they are magically 'revolutionary' by being the worst is a
pervesion of marxism which is akin to our times to the worst of
stalinism which argued ...'after Hitler us'.
By implication the worst things became the better they became for the
party...
vngelis
 




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Einde O'Callaghan <ein  2008-05-13 21:42:37 
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