On Thu, 15 May 2008, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
> On 2008-05-15 10:16 +0100, John Holmes allegedly wrote:
>> On the Ron Paul campaign, which I dimly recall DF is sup****ting:
>
>...
> You are implying he's lying and scheming, then. Do you have any data to
> back that claim?
Yes. He is a successful American politician.
>
>
>> Those who wish to sup****t Paul have the joy of knowing that they are
doing
>> their best to elect McCain.
>
> From the point of those involved in his campaign in the republican
> party, this is flat out ridiculous. Those folks are certainly trying
> their best to defeat McCain.
Why yes, Paul finds them very useful for his maneuvers.
> From the objective PoV... well, maybe. I don't think so, as stated
> above, but just maybe. However, this whole talk of yours imply you see a
> democrat candidate (or perhaps only Obama) as a "lesser evil" when
> compared to McCain. Is that the case?
No.
>...
> I have to ask, Holmes, what is your view as to crime and basic human
> morality? Is the human individual capable of evolving? Is the criminal
> redeemable? Is the human basically good or bad?
> The reason I ask is this: you see Nazis and such folks joining a
> libertarian movement. You conclude they're in the process of
> infiltrating it and infecting it. Didn't it ever cross your mind that it
> might be the other way around? That the message of personal freedom
> could infiltrate people with Nazi ideology and that those people could
> realise that there may be better and more productive ways to deal with
> the anger they feel than fascist gangs and authoritarian father figures?
>
> I think it was last fall I read a story about a Ron Paul rally where a
> Nazi found himself campaigning side to side with "Jews for Ron Paul" and
> libertarians and where he was, I quote approximately: "ashamed of his
> shaven head and trying to hide his tattooed Nazi cross". This story
> brought tears to my eyes. Humans are great. You just need to get down to
it.
I hear Hitler was a vegetarian and loved dogs. Perhaps he wasn't such
a bad fellow after all? Just misunderstood?
-jh-
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