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Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?

by Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 18, 2008 at 08:18 PM

On 2008-05-18 14:39 +0100, nada allegedly wrote:
> On May 18, 4:51 am, Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>> On 2008-05-18 00:44 +0100, nada allegedly wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Well, no, not exactly. The fact that there are like maybe 2 workers
>>> states anywhere in the world (Cuba and N.Korea...the last one being
>>> questionable btw) is not the point. In fact, it goes more  our British
>>> globalist Vngelis's POV that an "economic war" exists between China
>>> and the US goes to China's capitalist nature more than anything else.
>>> Of course if it was a 'war' you'd see the US treating China like N.
>>> Korea or Burma, clearly something it does not do. US investment in
>>> China has about doubled every year for 10 years and the Chinese are
>>> tied to the US economy to the tune of 30% of their GNP, so hardly a
>>> 'war'. Ah...'competition' is what it is, similiarly to two rival
>>> capitalist states.
>> IMO it /is/ competition between two capitalist states, or between one
>> capitalist state and one nigh-capitalist one. But how isn't that a war?
>>
> 
> Because neither side is either accusing each other of something or not
> competing within the realm of capitalist trade relations. There is
> only manouvering to gain profit. That's not war. It could lead to war
> but that would like a real war fought by other means: quotas, tarrifs,
> cutting off trade, boycotts etc...like the US does with Burma now. The
> US loves China because the ruling class is making too much money
> barrowing from it, investing in it, trading with it, etc. Hardly looks
> like a war to me.

Oh come on, that's a very thin distinction, especially if the experience
from WWI is anything to shout about.

At least a part of the US ideologues seem very wary of China to me.
They're complaining about how much US-assets they hold et caetera.
They're treating it as a rival -- and you won't hear the same tone about
Russia. According to what I hear, the Chinese gov't could crash the
dollar. All right, one could argue they won't. I'd grant that's
unlikely. But if they did, it would deal the US greater a blow than it'd
deal China. China's producing. The US are consuming on debt. A
confrontation seems inevitable -- unless the US manages to get a hold of
Chinese political power.

-- 
DF.
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Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-12 03:02:51 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-12 03:06:54 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-12 03:12:42 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-12 15:06:44 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-12 15:37:22 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-13 11:44:47 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-13 15:35:20 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-13 15:51:04 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-13 16:16:29 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-14 01:21:56 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-14 01:44:52 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-14 08:19:43 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-14 14:24:28 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Einde O'Callaghan <ein  2008-05-15 09:22:01 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-15 08:22:15 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-15 11:05:09 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-15 11:15:39 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-15 14:19:26 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-15 14:49:33 
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Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-15 15:23:39 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Einde O'Callaghan <ein  2008-05-16 00:38:47 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-16 16:34:26 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-15 15:50:48 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Einde O'Callaghan <ein  2008-05-16 06:43:04 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-15 17:04:15 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-17 11:27:42 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-18 13:48:11 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-17 15:44:59 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-18 13:51:14 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-18 05:39:50 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-18 20:18:17 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
dusty <trackdusty@[EMA  2008-05-18 05:44:49 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-18 20:17:25 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-18 12:34:11 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-19 01:43:11 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-05-18 13:50:34 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-20 01:46:51 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-20 11:25:35 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Einde O'Callaghan <ein  2008-05-20 12:24:42 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
dusty <trackdusty@[EMA  2008-05-20 04:07:46 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Daniele Futtorovic <da  2008-05-21 19:07:18 
Re: Myanmar Cyclone is Artificial?
Vngelis <meberry68@[EM  2008-05-21 03:31:17 

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