"Daniele Futtorovic" <da.futt.news@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On 2008-05-18 19:46 +0100, stephen allegedly wrote:
>> On May 17, 3:21 pm, dusty <trackdu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>> Clinical eh?
>>>
>>> What would you recommend Doc? Pre-frontal lobotomy, shock therapy or
>>> just large dodes of the latest chemotherapeutant?
>>
>> What do YOU recommend for homo***uals, since I think you approximately
>> share my views on that category? Even under modern bourgeois
>> democracies, the presence of even overt psychosis does not justify
>> imposing treatment. The issue here is to protect socialism from
>> adaptation to those who purposes are necessarily sectarian in the
>> extreme, as Engels recognized with respect to homo***uality.
>>
>> srd
>
> O_O
>
> Socialism needs to be protected from... homo***uals. SRD's on a crusade
to
> preserve the hetero***uality of socialism.
>
> This is getting better and better... NOT!
>
> --
> DF.
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From the apst archives - who and what the comrades are:
uchural Jul 7 1999, 3:00 am show options
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Date: 1999/07/07
Subject: Proyect's Morning
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Re****t Abuse
Not even noon, and Columbia University's computers have
churned out the following for the world to read:
The Morally Filthy Louis N. Proyect Has a Busy Morning
_____________________________________________
You miserable dirty little ****
the same ****ing rot
You miserable little mother-****er
Get cancer, you little prick
You have a lot of ****ing nerve quoting Rosa Luxemburg
People like yourself who champion Ayn Rand, the Cato Institute, and
Wall Street Journal editorials are no different than the social
democratic s*** who murdered Luxemburg and Liebknecht
libertarian s*** like yourself are good for nothing except defending
cor****ate profits
Therefore, you should get your slimy little ass off this newsgroup and
someplace where you belong
Go there, you little slug, and take your co-religionist Airdale with you
No, what would help is if you took a pistol and stuck the barrel in your
mouth and opened fire
your excesses are driving many
people into fantasizing about plunging knitting needles into your
eyeballs
You are nothing but a s***bag troll like
Watson, aren't you
Are you masochistically inclined
Do you have the same
sickness as Watson who probably masturbates after getting flamed
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uchural Aug 14 2000, 3:00 am show options
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From: uchural <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: 2000/08/14
Subject: the butt****er posts of a bigot
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Abuse
A bigot said:
"I do think one of the most im****tant functions of this ng is
to put participants' conduct *within* the ng under the microscope
(which some might not find comfortable, but tough ****.)"
the butt****er posts:
On one occasion a butt****er overheard me on the beach saying something
he thought homophobic. He physically attacked me, and I beat the ****
out of him. How's that?
Stephen R. Diamond
Yet, it is true--only in numbers do butt****er have physical "courage."
Anyway, what's your point? Trying making anarchist or communist sounds
in a den of nazis and see what happens. Go on.
Stephen R. Diamond
You mean on his FBI witchhunt of Dahlgren?
WHO ELSE JOINS YOU ON THIS, butt ****er?
Stephen R. Diamond
Come off it. Maybe butt ****er was not suitable for public utterance.
(Nigger was not an insult, by the way).
Read the quote carefully. Apart from the language, there is substanntive
commentary on the issues. Engels wanted nothing to do with the
homo***ual movement. He considered homo***uality "unnatural." Or, as I
would say, pathological. He believed the homo***uals were out to exploit
the workers movement. These comments are not about language.
"Nigger" is derived from black, and it did not always have the
connotations today. Tell me that "butt ****er" is not an expression of
utter revulsion, and I will tell you what I say in the following
paragrap.
Louis, long ago I mentioned you were stupid, in the low IQ sense that
Meberry rejects. Meberry notwithstanding, I have never changed that
view. Stevens agreed with me at the time, but he will say anything to
maintain a rottenn bloc.
Continue reading thousands of books. It is all you can do. Your posts
have proven you are unable to think, and the simplest of dialectics is
beyond your puny tape recorder mind.
Stephen R. Diamond
Yes, it does amaze that those who call themselves socialists or whatever
can do no better than the common ordinary butt ****er when it comes to
defending their positions. Same argument?same mentality: the mentality
of the pervert whose only real concern is gratification.
Stephen R. Diamond
You speak of the *gutter* butt ****er? What a joke.
Stephen R. Diamond
And what makes this so strange? Because YOU WILL DEFEND ONLY THOSE YOU
AAGREE WITH. As soon as a serious disagreement surfaces, you identify
with the aggressors against YOU, and imply a read out from the workers
movement, based on one issue.
What is so strange about my defense of the ***ual rights of butt****ers?
(Although, I agree, I should re-evaluate this position, because Engels
makes it clear he thinks butt ****ers HAVE ***NO*** RIGHTS as such. He
seems even to oppose the laws "emancipating" homo***uals. I'll need more
information to feel sure of Engels' position, and as for the present, I
can't see how a communist cannot but defend the ***ual prerogative of
perverts in consensual ***ual acts. It just is pretty much a non-issue
today.
(The Bolsheviks correctly abolished all criminal laws against consensual
***ual activity. Yet, to my knowledge, LENIN ****NEVER***** SAID A
***SINGLE*** WORD IN FAVOR OF THE RIGHTS OF HOMO***UALS. If the rights
of homo***uals was so im****tant an issue--and surely it would be *more*
im****tant in Russia than in the U.S.--is it not remarkable Lenin did not
mention the objective of "emancipating" them a SINGLE time).
You imply that because I address them as butt****ers I cannot defend
their rights. Well, haven't I always defended YOUR rights on apst,
despite the fact that I have always despised you, and would call you
something worse than a butt ****er, were I only able to think of such a
term.
Stephen R. Diamond
Kaufmanure has placed himself in the unenviable position of making an
unverifiable BUT falsifiable claim. No wonder capitalist lackey kicks
your butt, butt****er.
BOYCOTT KAUFMANURE FOR CLAIMING DIAMOND IS A "HUMAN BEING!"
srd
Why would my beliefs determine your view of the consistency of what I
have posted?
Answer: you are unable to think for yourself, so you need guidelines.
"He's a good comrade, so I believe what he posts."
By the way, I read that very long posting that was supposed to be an
answer to my arguments. It was far, far less competent than I expected.
You are unable to answer an argument. Your "dialectics" consist of
reaffirming positions. You are at a total loss to argue against a
position, unless your party has provided you with pre-programmed
answers. In short, you don't understand Marxism, dialectics, or probably
ANY theoretical discipline.
And yes, I did say "Butt ****er." I suppose you don't mind that Jimmy
the Faggot said "s***bag" to me AND ABOUT SIX "COMRADES." Homo***uals
get a free ride in Argentina as well as the United States.
Besides, WHERE DO YOU THINK MOST OF THEM PUT IT????
You are devoted to militance, but you have not learned to think, and you
may never.
Stephen R. Diamond
Gavin tried to explain that socialists should not use certain terms of
abuse, because using them shows one is not solidarizing with the
"abused" sectors.
Gavin is lost in liberal moralism--the empty gesture, the Kaufmanesque
"taking of a moral stand."
The reason Trotskyists avoid "nigger" is that its use is
quasi-propositional. To say "nigger" is to say blacks are inferior. And,
that is false and reactionary.
What about "butt****er"? What proposition, if any, does the use of that
term suggest? In my opinion the subtext is that gays are perverts. Since
that is a true *****sment, it cannot be reactionary.
It follows that I was wrong to apologize to the lurkers.
srd
Engels Quote Stumps the Butt ****ers & their Politically Hangers On
The subject line says it all.
Stephen R. Diamond
Kaufmanure HATES communists. He HATES US because Engels spoke of him as
a "butt****er."
srd
So, Kaufmanure thinks Constantine "means well." What would it take to
have him think one does not mean well.
To call him what he is, of course, a BUTT****ER.
srd
For the record, *almost* on every occasion on which I wanted a derisive
term for gays, I used 'butt****er.' I was making a point. BUTT****ER IS
WHAT ENGELS CALLED HOMO***UALS IN HIS LETTER TO MARX.
Personal correspondence, yes, but retained with intention to see it
published. (And, net bs is little more than personal correspondence).
srd
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
By focusing all his energies on the Diamond Butt****er Rampage, Bill,
the closeted homo***ual with the psychotic parent, puts Trotskyism at
the center of discussion in apst.
srd
The right centrist Proyect pays LIP SERVICE to the primacy of
fundamentals, but in practice for a long time was Kaufmanure the
butt****er's primary ally, based only on Greenery, and doesn't much
hesitate to adopt the trendiest politics and treat them as split issues,
such as positions on "gay liberation" (butt****er pseudo-rights).
srd
Re: Why "Nigger" should be avoided but "Butt****er" is OK
> What about "uncle****er"???
A normal child can be molested by his uncle. So, the term, implying that
the victim is a pervert, would be most misguided.
Let's look at the other side of it though. What about "nephew****er"?
Not a bad term if applied to a pedophile. The Spartacist League, which
sup****ts the Man Boy Love Association, would think the term a terrible
slur. Stevens of "Trotsky (sic), *** and Drugs" would, if he is
consistent, agree. The Spart clones of the MWG probably would decry the
term too.
srd
What happened to your "boycott," butt****er?
srd
Woodentop, although he considers himself a part of apst, breaks the apst
boycott of the rightist butt****er Kaufmanure.
srd
Now that Kaufmanure has totally discredited himself with his outrageous
threats against Proyect, does anyone notice how readily a butt****er
goes beyond the pale?
Try it with Sean, and see how quickly the little twirp of a faggot will
go squealing to the bourgeoisie.
srd
Has it been noticed how large the sheer number of butt ****ers there are
on this ng? I suppose their politically correct hangers on will say it
is so on account of their "oppression." Yeah, right! Then why do we see
so few women (only a "lesbian" recently, who hardly counts as a woman).
The butt ****ers see in revisionism "socialism" a vehicle to advance
their own interests, which have no relation to the interests of workers.
They can distort the opposition to the nuclear family into advocacy of
pederasty. They can turn socialist antagonism to possessiveness into a
***ual free for all. They can hide behind the socialist defense of the
workingman to defend their jobs, regardless of how much they are
despised by their fellow workers or are useless as producers of wealth
on account of their irresponsibility.
Stephen R. Diamond
> I've got him on the hook. He's my little slaveboy.
Bet you enjoy it, butt****er.
srd
Prissy Paris the ***** is torn between defending his fellow butt****er,
and his butt****er appetite to be on the winning side.
srd
That apst is essentially dead is proven by the failure of ANYONE to
react to this announcement.
It is not as though apst was not warned about Kaufmanure. A few months
back, she proposed that others complain to Flude's employer regarding
his use of the company account. APST slapped Kaufmanure's hand, but his
stab-in-the-back tactics, so typical of the classic butt****er, were not
so roundly condemned that his "boycotts" were not heeded by the weak
willed, by those afraid to swim against the stream. Instead, Kaufmanure
was given a ready made excuse, by the contention of many apsters that
any subjective criterion one wishes to foist can become the basis for
reading an individual or tendency out of the socalist movement. The
nematode, while maintaining that the tendency to which it at once
belongs and doesn't, the SL, even proposed that Kaufmanure be put in
charge of calling boycotts.
Kaufmanure used the "gay" question as her smokescreen for withhunts
against anyone who failed one of her litmus tests---wor****p Chomsky, be
politically correct on faggots, and sup****t Nader for President
uncritically. It is too much to expect apst to learn anything from this
experience.
srd
Listen, masturbator, do you have ANY principles? This 'uchural' does not
honor Second Amendment rights. He doesn't honor the rights EITHER you OR
I do. He is a fascist who calls himself a social democrat. (As if being
a Social Democrat isn't bad enough in and of itself). Will you bloc with
ANYONE out of some petty grudge?
Clear out of here. You don't belong, and 'uchural' does even less.
Neither of you is a follower of Trotsky in even the broadest sense. The
issues are much too complex for you here, and you will be tempted to
form alliances that do even you a discredit.
srd
> the same way that > Diamond threw around "butt****er"..
No one here has satisfoctarily answer how this term, employed for
homo***uals by none other than Engels, suddenly become the mark of
fascism. Malecki hasn't even tried.
srd
Kaufmanure has the capacity for projection and self-deception typical of
the butt****er.
srd
> Is your chit-chat with him a sign of implicit > approval for his
"butt****er" rampage?
No more than my dialog with you is approval of Green reaction.
As Dragon said, the least you can do is work on your reasoning.
Now that Louis' offer is accepted, WHERE IS PROYECT?
Gazing at his navel hoping that the word will come over the Green
ecosystem about what Castro thinks of he matter?
GET YOUR NOSE OUT OF CASTRO'S BUTT, PROYECT.
srd
I asked myself where do you get the idea this is about ***, rather than
about the political analysis of homo***uality.
But of course. I called them "butt ****ers."
I think you really are that literal, David. No context. Here's what
happened. Gay activist Paris called me along with others, including
RedFlag (god knows why), s***bags for our "homophobic" views. The other
homo***uals and their hangers on chimed in, with such lies as can only
be perpetrated by the moralist.
OK. If they are going to call me a s***bag and a homophobe (taking
advantage of my ignorance of the meaning of that term), I would address
them in a suitable way. And a way, I might add, far more desccriptively
accurate than "gay," seeing as though most of the butt ****ers are
depressed.
Stephen R. Diamond
Why is 'butt****er' considered "offensive" by homo***uals?
srd
Even were this true, there would be precious few "witnesses." Are you so
deluded, Kaufmanure the Butt****er, to think people read your
long-winded, pompous, and very, very "gay" tripe?
srd
Kaufmanure the Butt****er knows as little about scholasticism as he does
about Marxism.
srd
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
Calling Cuba "totalitarian" employs a CODE WORD. It is like "remember
the terror."
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
Everyone knows Proyect is a tactical and strategic moron, what with his
many forms of revolution, even focismo. BUT THESE ARE QUESTIONS WITHIN
THE SOCIALIST MOVEMENT. You are outside it. You are *fundamentally*
anti-communist.
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
It is *conceivable* that I am "bigoted against fagots? In any event, how
can one not have misgivings about them, after having been exposed to the
political swinishness of butt****ers such as Kaufmanure.
SO WHAT?
Kaufmanure has revealed in another thread his bigotry against blacks. He
now tells apst that he opposes open admissions, because it threatens
"academic standards."
The race question in the U.S. is a REAL dividing line. Kaufmanure
imagine the "gay" question has equal significance, only because he is a
butt****er himself.
srd
Yes, Kaufmanure, you butt****er, WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
srd
PS Has Kaufmanure yet called for a secondary boycott of Proyect? Any
bets on how far Kaufmanure will go in his self-destructive, faggot
stupidity.
Get AIDS an die, Kaufmanure.
srd
To participate in this apst boycot of the butt****er Kaufmanure, that is
the question.
Kaufmanure, if I answer you, will you provide some ***ual favors to my
girlfriend's homo***ual brother?
srd
You think me isolated only because, ostrichlike, you have killfiled all
you respond. What a butt****er will do to sustain his illusions.
As to Watson--he continued posting LONG AFTER the boycott was
successful. He left for other reasons; what they are can only be
conjectured. In my opinion apst has moved so far right that it is no
longer worth the time of this nazi.
srd
Tough talk from a butt****er sissy-boy.
srd
Kaufmanure, in true butt****er form, makes up the rules as he goes
along. I suppose the NUMEROUS counter-examples of tendencies in the
habit of snitching, tendencies clearly in the ambit of the working class
movement, could not convince him. Butt****ers are not rational beings.
srd
I defend ISTers like yourself against persecution by the bourgeois
state. Does that mean I must like your politics? No more than I must
like the butt****er character.
srd
The gay baiting is in your imagination, malecki. Had she wanted to gay
bait Kaufmanure, she was have called her a sweet old-fa****oned girl. You
see gay baiting, because it is obvious even to you that Kaufmanure is a
butt****er.
srd
Well, good for "Bob," were it but true!
Watch this butt****er call even the sniveling malecki a "hetero***ist."
Oh, Prissy, did his comment "bash" you?
srd
This is true, but the im****tant question isn't social acceptance, but
political effectiveness, no?
There is a real sense in which psychiatric patients could be termed
"oppressed." In any event the level of care provided to them has
deteriorated drastically as part of the capitalist attack on social
services. The derogation handed out to psychiatric patients, and those
who should be, is obviously part of the preparation and aftermath of
this attack. Yet no one on apst gets terribly upset by those who call
others "nutters," (unless, of course, the target happens to be them).
No one gets "ostracized" for using this term.
Why should "butt****er" or "faggot" be treated differently? Would Cannon
have referred to a "gay" as a "faggot"? Would he have referred to a Jew
as a "kike"? I can be certain of the negative answer to the second. I am
uncertain as to the first question, but I think he very well might have.
Why the difference? Why is "butt****er" classed with "kike" rather than
with "nutter." Should it be?
It seems to me the line is between terms that denote behavior or
personality and terms that denote ascribed traits. It is instinctively
recognized that to denigrate a group based on its ascribed
characteristics (Jew, black, ethnicity, nationality) is far more
dangerous than denigrating based on personality, conduct, etc. That is
because in defending, say, the rights of the mentally ill, one does not
defend the *state* of *being* mentally ill. There is a certain
cross-class agreement that schizophrenia is not a good thing.
From this perspective, maybe you can see why it became *imperative* for
me to treat "gays" as subject to the same ridicule as "nutters." Not to
do so accedes to the unscientific conclusion that being "gay" is an
ascribed character, in that one is BORN that way. To those of us who
realize that "gays" manifest a mental disorder, it is natural to demand
the same liberty as taken by those who verbally lambast others as
"nutters" or as "morons," particularly since the worst of these is our
beloved William Kaufman.
At stake here is really the whole question of the nature of
homo***uality. The only consistent way to avoid calling a "gay" a
"butt****er" is to eschew the whole repertoire of abuse. On some
interpretations, that is what Trotsky would have expected, but any would
be Trotskys would hardly be spending their. on apst.
<snip because dealt with above>
srd
What a mess. I NEVER used the term "butt****er" for one who defended
homo***uality. Did I call YOU a butt****er, Malecki? Fess up, you lying
piece of ****.
Show at least the level of logic of the imbecile that you are. If the
term is not insulting, you have no basis for objecting, do you? Or does
an idealist sack of **** like you think your judgment of subjective
intent suffices.
Kaufman and I have the same program? That is only a Spart recording.
Kaufman is a Green. I say the Greens should be given the famous SILVER
BULLET.
As I said earlier. A bit slow on the uptake, Eh, Malecki?
I don't "hate" homo***uals. I merely have a strong dislike for them.
Just desserts, you imbecile? Like the Sparts claim to be growing when
they verge on death. I destroyed this ****ing counter-revolutionary
clot. LOOK WHAT YOU NOW HAVE REMAINING!
<SNIP>
It took you long enough, Malecki, to grasp what Kaufman is. You know
why? Because you are stupid. Not uneducated, but just plain dumb.
You are also delusional. You think you have some influence on apst. I
went too far to the left for this counter-revolutionary clot. I
engineered my "expulsion" as a "suicide mission," just as the Sparts
engineered theirs from the SWP. But you--you are just too stupid and
crazy for even these creeps.
srd
Kaufmanure is very aware that Proyect sup****ts Nader. If there ane
doubts, I leave it to readers to check dejo.com, and see where this fact
is *acknowledged* by Kaufmanure.
Anyone who thinks Kaufmanure has the least shred of honesty should keep
this in mind.
Only Kaufmanure, or some other butt****er, could virulently attack
Proyect on an ostensibly Trotskyist ng for NOT sup****ting Nader.
srd
Kaufmanure repeats this line endlessly, but never argues it. Why is it
so? Because Kaufmanure the Butt****er proclaims it so!
srd
Why is that? You are a "public figure" on apst, BY YOUR CHOICE. Even
more to the point, you have attacked the affiliations of others. Only a
butt****er would be likely to think that turnabout isn't fair play.
srd
Mr. Lause,
Bill Kaufman is a well known fraud and liar who has turned a socialist
into his employer for "excessive use" of the internet on work time,
because Mr. Kaufman (aka Kaufmanure and Dr. Kaufball) did not like the
fellow's postings. Kaufmanure is in no position to judge to whom others
should respond. Reviewing this ng for the last couple weeks shows his
boycott of me for my views has not succeeded; going to one's employer is
far more his style, and this tactic seems to have succeeded against
another socialist.
Whereas few have joined him in boycotting me, because I have called a
stinking fink such as him and another reactionary named Paris
"butt****er," (which is not to say most approve my vocabulary),
virtually no one answers Kaufmanure, mostly not as some kind of
"boycott," such as he tries to organize against socialists when he isn't
turning them into their employers, but because he has nothing to say.
Probably needless to say, I would turn not even a Kaufmanure in to his
employer.
srd
All on his list have failed to respond to his crusade with proper
fervor.
Dahlgren agrees on homo***uality, but he's not an asshole, a liar, or a
butt****er.
Stephen R. Diamond
RedFlag NEVER expressed solidarity with me. The Paris attack on RedFlag
was WHOLLY UNPROVOKED. Quote this "solidarity" statement, or admit you
have slandered RedFlag, who in no way shares my views on the subject.
You are relatively honest for a butt****er, Gilders. Imagine the really
bad ones.
Stephen R. Diamond
> Rhinestone whispers sweet nothings in my ears:
> >You are relatively honest for a butt****er, Gilders. Imagine the
really > >bad ones.
> **** off, asshole!
The butt****ers' version of a flame.
Stephen R. Diamond
OK, Louis, I know nothing about the tendency. I am concerned at the
moment only with the do***ented Engels material.
The epigones of Engels say homo***uality is despised because it
threatens the nuclear family. Engels obviously found it "unnatural" and
disgusting, and he believed the homo***uals, interested only in ***ual
gratification, were trying to exploit the workers momement for their own
reactionary ends. JUST LIKE TODAY.
I differ from Engels only in that I feel no disgust at the homo***ual
act. Clinical experience and training have purged me of that normal
reaction to the butt ****ers (to use Engels' term).
Stephen R. Diamond
Read the Engels material. I used the term "butt****er" for a reason.
IT WAS ENGELS' TERM.
You too reject Engels in favor of political correctness and your
reactionary theories of "special oppression." Still, maybe you will pick
up a few good phrases to commit to memory. If they come from Engels, at
least your politics (if that they can be called, when you fail the
Turing Test) may improve in *appearance*.
Stephen R. Diamond
This brawl to my mind constitutes a sorting out. Who are the
incorrigibly politically correct? Who are such liars that they ought to
die of cancer? Who are the swine who will lie under the cover of their
****-like moralism?
There have been surprises. My opponents from the IS have, as expected,
taken a politically correct position, but in general have been honorable
and honest in their arguments. It seems from this limited sample that
few butt ****ers are interested in their organization?which is a tribute
to them.
The real swine are some so-called Trots. Proyect, whose only project is
the lie and the plagiarism; Stevens, who enjoys mudslinging for its own
sake, and has not a single real principle to his name.
Then, everything can make sense with hindsight. Proyect and Stevens are
anti-party, Proyect with elaborate rationalizations (given his low IQ),
and Stevens with his whining objections to any impingement on his
"individuality." (Little wonder he loves LM, and lists it on his obscene
but politically correct site as a "resource.")
The anti-party people are the worst?those whose reactionary objections
to party organization are the biggest obstacle to the development of a
revolutionary movement, and who are so unlikely to come around that one
can only hope they drop dead.
Stephen R. Diamond
"I have called everyone a butt****er but he,"
Kaufman reveals his obtuseness even in diagnosing grammatical errors.
The most likely source of such an error would be a misreading of but, a
failure to understand it in context, while actually writing. The writer,
mostly likely, looked to 'but' apart from the rest of the sentence,
construed it as a coordinating conjunction, and followed it accordingly
with the nominative. In the sentence, however, 'but' is a preposition
meaning 'except,' and takes 'him' as its object.
Kaufman is as mechanical in his *****sment of a grammar issue as he is
in his politics, leading one to think the problem in his thinking is
general. As Dragon lectured him, he must work on his reasoning. One
would infer a confusion of the nominative and objective, instead of an
error about a *particular* connective, careless or otherwise, only if
such substitutions were common and occurred with a variety of
connectives.
Kaufman's reasoning is poor; his induction is nonexistent; AND HIS
SELF-CONTROL IN FOLLOWING THE BOYCOTT HE CALLS OTHERS ON THE CARPET FOR
BREACHING CANNOT WITTHSTAND HIS STALINIST SENSE OF PRIVILEGE.
srd
Yet, "we" accept "s***bag" as appropriate for net discussion among
leftists.
Special rights for homo***uals, you see.
You have not anly placed butt****er rights at the center, but you have
implied a read out of the workers movement. You are a hypocritical
swine, a lumpen who aspires to be a lackey.
Thus, you are killfiled.
Go get ****ed by Paris, you servile instrument.
Stephen R. Diamond
PS I wish a bunch of fascist goons taught you a lesson.
Not really, of course. But that's EXACTLY the nature of what you wished
would happen to me.
**** off, Personal Servant.
"butt****er rampage"
LIES (YOURS) are a major political issue, you nauseating Stalinist who
spits the Green slime of his Naderite partners.
srd
So, what have YOU done to "change the world," Kaufmanure?
You lasted in the U.S. SWP how long? About two weeks? Until they asked
you to DO something.
You have told apst the LEAST of ANY regular "contributor" about your
political history and "accomplishments." Yet you have the GALL to
denigrate others who have revealed more.
Although I am not a "member" of apst, I may nonetheless raise "demands"
from the OUTSIDE.
Why don't the rest of you reactionaries boycott Kaufman, who is more
counter-revolutionary than the REST OF YOU COMBINED.
He proliferates outright bourgeois propaganda, and to top that HAS NO
MANNERS.
What is taking you creeps so long? Boycot the nauseating butt****er.
srd
This is a good point, but the meathead Capitalist Lackey lacks the
cognitive power to take the analysis a step further.
For Kaufmanure there is ALWAYS some be all and end all. In the sphere of
action, it is Nader. In the sphere of theory it is the school of Adorno
et. al. In the sphere of international issues, it is Chomsky.
This is the mark of the crackpot, of the crank. It is the Lyndon La
Rouche mentality.
At least the apst dolts begin to catch on to Kaufmanure.
You, capitalist lackey, have been far too fortunate. You openly employ
the vile term "Trotskyite wreckers," and you are sufficiently
historically informed to know exactly where it originated. To hide your
filthy Stalinism, you appear in the forefront of the anti-But****er
(b-word) contingent, hoping harping on bigotry will conceal your own
murderous designs against Trotskyists.
Not a PEEP is heard from the "Trotskyists" on apst in respone to this
phrase, viler even than "nigger," and whatever one might think of
"butt****er," it cannot approach the seriousness of your using this
phrase on a putatively Trotskyist ng.
Still, not a PEEP from the "online Trotskyists." Not even from the
nematode, who collects social security benefits, while sitting all day
at his computer.
srd
One of the marks of the true sectarian (and this is perhaps the ONLY
true AND interesting thought Proyect has EVER posted) is the practice of
the litmust test, based on some single position. (But, APPLY this
insight, Proyect. Apply it to "Cuba the Litmus Test," by one Joseph
Hanson, when YOU were of the SWP).
Kaufmanure now wants a litmust test based on the practice of debating
fascists. Kaufmanure is wrong about the history of the socialist
movement, in his belief that no socialist, or even communist, has
advocated or participated in debates against fascists. However stupid
this was of Proyect, however bereft of intelligence, or even ordinary
common sense, it is no litmus test.
You are a reactionary loon, Kaufmanure. Don' even compare the gulf that
separates you from Marxism to the (still gaping) gulf that separates
Proyect.
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
That they have is to their great discredit, but to yours too, since your
attack has only won the creep sympathy. EVERYONE'S hatred of you, their
total disgust with a Filthy Faggot such as yourself, exceeds their
hatred of Stalinism. This too is to their discredit, but it places the
matter in perspective.
Kaufmanure you butt****er,
Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
srd
Prissy Paris the ***** is a known liar and Third Period Stalinist. She
is so sectarian that even the likes of Malecki cannot tolerate her for
long. Nothing she asserts should be taken as true without verification;
she NEVER provides it, even when she is accidentally correct.
The do***ent to which she refers is a mass of lies, blind assertions,
and leaps of illogic.
Notice that this swine called me "fascist" AFTER I took her out of the
closet.
Note though how Prissy tries to avoid your sectarian stupidity of
claiming that anyone who doesn't fall head over heels for "gay
liberation" is no socialist. Yes, I rather loathe faggots, but I also
defend their democratic rights--not that those rights are much
challenged in the imperialist world, where decadent pederasty reigns. I
categorically deny being "anti-immigrant," anti-Black, or anti-union. I
have posted, in fact, on how the SL's racism is manifested, and Paris is
but a pale shadow of the SL. Nothing more--but a greater willingness to
lie baldly.
(Is Paris bald. It is positively traumatic for a butt****er to go bald).
srd
The Spart without a card does not elucidate WHAT Stamm was. He prefers
to make his point to an in-group of dilettantes, to minimize the damage
this information does to his "*** and drugs" politics, while scoring
little points against a great revolutionist.
STAMM WAS A BUTT****ER. For that reason, and for that reason only,
Cannon correctly wished to exclude him from the vanguard party of the
working class. For that reason also, CANNON WOULD MOCK STAMM AT
MEETINGS, RIDICULING HIS EFFEMINATE MANNERISMS.
Oh, but the nematode cries out in indignation, "we have progressed so
far from Cannon's day culturally" (we call this an epoch of cultural and
economic decline, but the nematode cannot take that characterization
seriously; it cannot take anything seriously).
Cannon, the greatest communist the Unitesd States has produced, DID NOT
WANT BUTT****ERS IN THE REVOLUTIONARY PARTY. But today we are so
advanced that we can imply Cannon must have been a "soft core fascist."
srd
Were Gilders honest he would admit he is far closer to the religious
right than ANYONE else on apst, save perhaps his fellow butt****er,
Kaufmanure, who is has essentially been driven off.
It is Gilder who professes religious belief. It is Gilders who is the
Son of Preacher Man, and has never broken with the religious drivel he
was taught in childhood. It is Gilders whose politics consists of
moralistic platitudes.
Last but not least, it is Gilders who has NEVER been a member of a
communist cadre organization (even though some would unfortunately have
admitted him).
srd
This is a *possibility*, but the group which claims the "right" to be
considered "oppressed" has the burden, doesn't it? In any event, it
makes a great deal of sense to me that "gays" would have higher median
income. They gravitate toward particular occupations, employ other
"gays," and show favoritism. This is nothing new, and not something for
which I would condemn them, but it is an observation I think many have
made.
> butt****er
I'll give you a frank answer to what seems like an honest question. It
started in a flame war. I see no reason to exempt homo***uals from the
sort of abuse that they hand others, just because it offends political
correctness. At this point, I am bound to continue with these
pejoratives; otherwise I am subject to the interpretation of seeking to
take back the earlier abuse. I don't intend to; I don't intend even to
*allow* that impression to form.
srd
Let's examine this "boycott." The nematode and Prissy say it is not
justified by my anti-gay statements, but by a host of "soft-core
fascist" positions. Kaufmanure says it is justified by my position on
"gays." Proyect says it is justified by my repeated use of the term
"butt****er."
The question a Trotskyist must ask is whether this coalition is
propaganda bloc, and thus unprincipled, or a common front for action? It
might seem a "boycott" is an act, if one does not look beneath the
surface. But in fact a boycott of the sort this motley group has
proposed is a propaganda effort. Why? Its purpose is not, as with the
Watson boycott, to avoid the intrusion of a rightist with NOTHING of
value to say into apst discussions. Its purpose is to send a message; to
"take a stand," as Kaufmanure has often written.
But what stand is being taken. The nematode-Paris stand, the Proyect
stand, or the Kaufmanure stand?
Even the dullest should see why this "boycott" is a rotten bloc.
srd
James Paris is an old hand at insulting others whenever piqued. So sad
he gets a taste of his own medicine.
The brawl started when Paris called core members of this ng "s***bags."
HAS NO ONE NOTICED this pig's rudeness and incapacity to brook any
disagreement without the vilest insults?
Someone explain why Paris, whose insults go in every direction his
gutter-mind allows, should be exempted from remarks about his ***ual
habits? Even those who favor "gay emancipation" as a central demand
should realize that degrading terms are no more acceptable when directed
at persons than when directed at ***ual conduct.
If I were to call Proyect, say, in the middle of battle, one given to
bestiality, no would would much object. But the butt****er is
sacrosanct, even when he insults core members and reads them out of the
workers movement, as did Jimmy the Faggot.
Stephen R. Diamond
Oh yes, the neo-Stalinist accusations without a shred of evidence.
Today, however, the cloak is being lowered. of such a move.
Hardly As both I and the KDE have stated, the expulsion of workers
already here is reactionary. GET IT, LYING BUTT****ER.
I NEVER used the word "steal." Yet the liar Paris puts the word in
quotes.
False. A position I entertained but REJECTED. Note that no one but I
came up with a coherent REASON for opposing cop unions. Often one must
go through a phase of sup****ting a measure to understand why it should
be opposed, WHEN THE ENTIRE LEFT CANNOT PRODUCE A COHERENT EXPLANATION.
AND WHy is that "obvious"? I favor the unions fighting against ALL
discrimination, even against you perverts. What I opposed, and I am
convinced you would welcome, is measures by the STATE to protect
butt****ers from discrimination.
Only by your logic, which is to say the absence of logic of a mentally
crippled lumpen.
I have taken the position that Russia should be defended, and its
victory prayed for, in war, EVEN WHEN ITS WAR AIMS ARE REACTIONARY. To
sup****t this position, I analogized to a reactionary strike by the
unions. So my "logic," to those able to think logically (which excludes
lumpenized phrasemongering liars like Paris), is that even if the unions
take a 'politically correct' stance (for instance disciplining workers
who "harass" butt****ers by wanting nothing to do with them) in a
strike, I would sup****t the union. Prissy Paris ignores my actual
claims, refuses even to cite them, BECAUSE AS ONE TRAINED IN STALINISM,
HE IS TOTALLY UNABLE TO ARGUE A POSITION.
Stephen R. Diamond
DOWN WITH THE NEO-FASCIST BUTT****ER PARIS, WHO LIES THROUGH HIS TEETH
AND PRETENDS TO BE A SOCIALIST WHEN HE IS REALLY A GAY ACTIVIST!
>> few butt ****ers >
Roger, I don't recall. Were you among those Paris called a "s***bag."
Stephen R. Diamond
> > "butt****er rampage"?
And what does it mean if someone cannot recall calling someone a
fascist?
Then stop being a HYPOCRITE. If Kaufman is more of a threat, fight him
AS more of a threat. You characterize Kaufman correctly in words; your
deeds display an op****tunistic unwillingness to break with the Proyects
and Stevens', and a break with the Stalinist Kaufman would require that.
Stevens you say is not a liar. Go back to Alec's posting, in which
Stevens is characterized as a "calculating liar," and what preceded it.
srd
One makes a "pedagogical adaptation" to the persons one addresses. I am
not addressing poorly educated workers, but well-educated petty
bourgeois, many of whom *are* homo***uals. I am not going to adapt my
language based on the speculative possibility that some lurker will get
the wrong idea.
> *butt****ers*
I am one of the few who discusses revolutionary politics. It is those
who base their discussion practices on "hate speech" doctrine and
"taking a stand against 'bigotry'" who avoid discussion. Do you think I
am the only person throwing around insults? You may be the only person
who is NOT, and that may be because you haven't been here much.
So, unless you all force a change in the British libel laws, you may
have to talk sweetly to the Americans, while they insult you.
srd
In article <391876cf.31796...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, l...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> DIAMOND, YOU ****ING PIECE OF **** RABID HOMOPHOBE. DON'T RESPOND TO >
MY POSTS. YOU FORFEITED HAVING COMRADELY EXCHANGES LONG AGO. YOU >
SHOULD DROP DEAD AND THEN I WILL COME PISS ON YOUR GRAVE.
You piece of **** mixed with vomit. I'll respond when I wish. What are
you going to do about it, you cowardly mother ****er with a big mouth
but nothing else.
srd
Anyone's, eh? So, if it were not public knowledge that Lyndon La Rouche
had been a member of the Spartacist League's national committee (then
'Spartacist') it would be anathema to reveal this information. Once one
moves as far right as you, Kaufmanure, you, like LaRouche, are FAIR
GAME.
For what tort do you imagine Proyect is liable? Defamation? So you would
claim in capitalist court that revealing that you were ONCE a socialist
is *defamatory*. (Unlike the Spartacist League and it pale shadows, I do
not oppose using the courts against some enemies, even witthin the
working class movement, but WHAT one SAYS in those courts DOES MATTER).
Even if you sink to this level, it won't work. Truth is an absolute
defense against defamation--maybe not in Britain, but in the U.S.
For some false information Proyect posted about you? Your problem here
is that having INJECTED YOURSELF INTO APST CONTROVERSY you are a "public
figure" for legal purposes, as regards this forum. Thus you must prove
Proyect either KNEW the information was false, or showed "reckless
disregard for the falsity of the material. This is a high standard which
you will not be able to meet.
But EVEN IF YOU DO, you will have to show damages. Alleging another's
member****p in leftist organizations is not per se defamatory. How the
hell do you think you are going to accomplish that? How could what
Proyect has said damage you, when you have already called attention to
yourself by participating here?
Invasion of privacy? No way. This is not "private" information.
Now, if you are straight, as Proyect has said, you could sue ME for
defamation per se, for saying you are a faggot. The fact that you have
threatened litigation against Proyect shows you have no qualms about
using the courts for this sort of end, and show no judgment about what
is practically possible; your failure to initiate litigation against me
shows you are, as I said, straight to the same extent that Castro is an
unconscious Marxist.
Were I Proyect, I would HOPE you litigate, then get the case thrown out,
and respond with my own MALICIOUS PROSECTION and ABUSE OF PROCESS suit
against YOU. I hope he takes you for everything you are worth. I would
even offer assistance, were I to believe there is any chance he would
accept it. Proyect might even succeed now, even if you don't sue, with
an action for the deliberate infliction of emotional distress. But, he
would have to pretend to be distressed by your threat.
Let me end by offering a rare word of praise for that op****tunist who
goes by the name Proyect. It was courageous of him to publish your
e-mail, in disregard for the standards of bourgeois "netiquette"
championed by the likes of the nematode.
srd
PS It looks as though capitalist lackey, as slick as he is unprincipled,
****HUMILIATED**** you after all, you butt****er Kaufmanure.
The crux of the matter isn't that there are no revolutionaries in the
core of apst (if I may offer a friendly amendment), but there are no
reactionaries of the _likes_ of the nail-bomber. Even Hunter Watson was
"pro-gay."
Look, Prianikoff, show a little ordinary common sense. Do you think I
would stand on the street corner, amongst skinheads, referring to "gays"
as 'butt****ers'?
No more than I would stand amongst middle class welfare cutters and
speak of how the 'imbeciles' should die of cancer.
The only factor, if any, which now impels me toward using "offensive"
language to refer to "gays" is that the ordinary rules of context are
suspended within the 'left when this language is discussed.' No one will
get incensed about my calling rab Rabbi Roger, from now to eternity.
(Maybe Roger will, but you get my point). They would rightly become
incensed about "kike" and "nigger," because these terms, like Dr.
Kaufball's "totalitarianism" and Watson's "Remember the terror" have
become *emblematic*.
Is "butt****er" similarly emblematic? I say no. You provided some
evidence it is not when you wrote of demonstrators calling the cops
"faggots." If it isn't emblematic, my using the term STANDS IN THE WAY
of its becoming so. A good way to sum all of this up is that most of
apst WANTS it to BECOME emblematic, and furthers that end by treating it
AS IF it were already. Others stand in the way by defying it what the
supposed emblem proclaims--these others including the demonstrators of
whom you had written and me.
srd
This comment in no way contradicts my account. I killfiled Stevens and
called him an asswipe for his attack an Meberry as a "homophobe."
Then Paris intervened and escalated the argument.
So, the first blow was struck by Stevens, who tarred a socialist as a
"homophobe" merely because this participant had criticized the Lesbian
PROGRAM in a perfectly dignified manner.
Then I intervened, and Paris escalated.
Who initiated the aggression. Stevens the slime, with Paris bringing it
to a whole higher level. If terms like butt****er are "off limits," then
calling someone a "homophobe" because of *programmatic* differences,
implying they are given to such forms of derision, must be a slander.
Get it?
Why should I stand idly by when a nauseating creep like the pothead
Stevens call socialists homophobes WHEN ACCORDING TO YOU THIS LABEL MUST
BE ETHICALLY EQUIVALENT TO 'RACIST.'
Oh sure. The only function aspt has EVER served for me is as a medium to
develop my own thoughts. I fought Watson only because he got in the way
of my exploration of ideas, as he insisted that the historical record of
actual practice (meaning his lies and distortions) came first. He was an
impediment to what I wanted. He is not a fascist, but you know what he
is. I won't repeat it, but I wouldn't care, except for the fact that he
got in the way.
Although I hadn't thought of *most* of you as enemies, if truth be told,
I have hated *many* of you for a long time. For maybe thirty-five years,
taking your kind as a genus. There are no worse swine in the world than
American "leftists." These leftist wrap themselves in the most sickening
moralism, and justify lies and treachery, because they feel morally
justified. Moralists are the greatest danger in the world, whether or
the fake left or right, and you are nothing if not a moralist supreme.
Did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, I brought all this to a
head exactly because I was sick of enduring you? To go out, after
discovering how deeply the homophilia ran, why not do it with a bang? To
stop wasting my time after I got all I could from pretending to discuss
with most of you, actually discussing with a few, while developing my
own thoughts, and caring nothing for yours--that was another purpose.
Now, however, destroying you is fun--it is sooo easy. I made you read
two weeks of material that unfortunately drove a Dahlgren stuiden almost
to suicide. What do you think it does to you, Gilders? You are older,
and like many faggots you think you have overcome your sense of
inferiority, but I will destroy your defenses, as I have already in
part. You, the faggots, are the real vanguard of neo-fascism today, and
one incapacitated is a gain.
I promise you, though, that YOU will be damaged, Gilders, and you
already have been. You faggots are fragile. Every time I call you a
faggot, It evokes thoughts of childhood mistreatment. I will do it so
much, much more and so effectively, you will be lucky to complete your
graduate program. Just watch.
Kilfile me Gilders, or die mentally. Or rather, you wil die mentally
either way.
Stephen R. Diamond
In what context? Have I previously "defamed" gays? I stated my opinion,
but not in a manner designed to damage individual homo***uals.
What do you think the point of a flame war is? It is to damage the other
side, to humiliate the other side. The only relevant difference between
me and apst on flaming practice is tha I am better at it, as I am better
at just about any activity requiring thought. (Somebody said false
modesty was more or less counter-revolutionary. Don't want to be that!)
The question, of course, is whether calling your political enemies
epithets aimed at the homo***uality is off limits. Nobody was bothered
when Malecki called Kaufman a eunuch. APST thinks attacks on ***ual
orientation are off limits.
Here nothing but a sense of pro****tion will do. Is "butt****er" really
an insult on a level similar to "nigger" or "kike"? Not when 20 years
ago most of the left was "homophobic." The struggle against racism and
anti-semitism has ALWAYS been FAR more central to the workers movement
than the struggle against anti-homo***uality. I submit that when Paris
called me a fascist (before my own nuclear flames were launched) he
provoked the war that will destroy apst. To call a pro-communist a
fascist, because he defends RedFlag against Stevens' bile for using the
mere phrase "lesbian agenda" justifies flaming this dangerous
neo-fascist provocateur for his ***ual proclivities, if only to destroy
him and those who sup****ted him.
Sup****t for democratic rights is conditional. There is no requirement
that the democratic rights of the bourgeoisie be honored, for example.
They were so intended. This was a flame war. I do not ordinarily go
around making comments intended to offend. When Paris called me a
fascist (what is a kapo fascist, by the way?), and all the identied gays
sup****ted him, I believe the escalation was warranted. Which is more
offensive: "butt****er" or "fascist s***"? If you give the matter a bit
of serious thought, I will respect your opinion.
I don't follow your logic here. To wit, only Louis seems to have used
the private letter argument. The consensus was that Engels was more or
less a "bigot," which I take to validate the value of introducing the
letter.
Of course. As I had posted, not only would I, but I have.
Unfortunately, yes. That is why I offered Dahlgren to consult with his
student. I'm sure that in that one case, I could have resolved the
effects.
I had to choose between fighting back, which in the frenzied environment
created by Paris meant returning insult with even greater insult (as I
was outnumbered). The greater harm (in my judgment) would have been to
allow the Parises a victory in which they emerged unharmed.
I'd accept that, if you tell me what a "national boshevist" position is.
Who were its exponents? Or is it a term you have coined. Excuse my
ignorance.
srd
You *did* know of this, because just hours earlier you provided a
mealy-mouthed reason for not participating--that you opposed boycotts in
general, despite "objecting" to my "gu****ngs" about butt****ers. (At
least you are above saying "ba****ngs"; at least you understand the
difference between verbal and physical attacks. It might be said this is
the ONLY thing you understand, but it seems to place your comprehension
about the dregs of apst.
The unprincipled character of your earlier respone, which you now intend
to undo, lay in your acceding to the apst verdict that views on
homo***uality are a litmus test (for those on either side of this
issue). You gave aid and comfort to those who would sup****t Lancy
(capitalist lackey) in diverting the hatred of his OVERT STALINISM ("ice
pick the Trotskyite wreckers"--*really*!) to those who have a negative
*****sment of "gay liberation." You wrote as though you were abstaining
from this failed boycott ONLY because of your position on boycotts, and
NOT at all because IF anyone should be "boycotted" here (other than the
fascist Constanin), it is the Stalinist capitalist lackey and the
rightist butt****er Kaufmanure.
Capitalist lackey doesn't read Lenin, but Arendt, to whom he gives the
same "critical" sup****t he gives Nader.
My how have you lost touch. Are you unaware that capitalist lackey
SUP****TS that self-same reactionary presentation, and derides meberry
for defending Yugoslavia, while, crime of all crimes, having called Tito
a Stalinist.
So you actually believe that capitalism is NO LONGER a barrier to the
expansion of the productive forces. That much is now clear, but wasn't
previously, at least not to me. Thus, you say "And that (the barrier
posed by capitalism to the expansion of the productive forces) remained
true until fairly recently." "Fairly recently," you apparently think
capitalism STOPPED being a barrier to the expansion of the productive
forces. All of this you base on a non sequitur (never mind for the
moment the false premise), that people stopped wanting the productive
forces to expand. Somehow, the fact that people don't want to see that
expansion (accepting this for the sake of argument) implies that the
productive forces are *capable* of expanding under capitalism, expanding
in the sense in which Lenin and Trotsky proclaimed them incapable, after
about 1907.
Unless you serious missspoke, this is most revealing. And even if you
misspoke, it probably remains revealing.
srd
You mechanistic blockhead, for whom a term is reality. It is unlikely
that you have spent a year in a factory, for workers do not think this
way. It is the thought of the bourgeois intellectual, which you surely
are not, or the declasse lumpen, which you surely are.
Meberry defined the term neo-fascist. It fits.
If the term fits, but you think its meaning too far from convention,
then SO WHAT? If you called me a "fascist," but carefully defined a
fascist as one who thinks homo***uals are not all wonderful people, by
objection THEN would be to the degradation of political language, NOT to
the application of the term AS DEFINED.
Lenin did not say, even of those who opposed him on this point, such as
the Economists, that they were all "s***bags," a term MORE degrading
than "butt****er."
WHAT IS YOUR "SOLIDARITY" WORTH WHEN YOU CANNOT EVEN DEFEND YOU OWN
WIFE, COWARD??? Stevens is always proclaiming his solidarity with this
or that, pretending that fateful abstention in elementary defense never
occurred.
There we have it; the only truth--an admission "against self-interest.
Stevens' consciousness is backward. With that we should all be able to
agree.
Workers democracy as *conceived* by the Spartacist League, and its
pupils like Vicente the Wooden. THE WORKERS DEMOCRACY OF THREATS WITH
BASEBALL BATS DIRECTED AGAINST OPPONENTS!!! The Spart "workers
democracy" that I can recall was thoroughly hypocritical as far back as
1966.
The External Anti-Neofascist Opposition Member****p: 1 Same order of
magnitude as MudPie
Sorry, but one more point. Kaufman has been bragging that the boycott
would eventually be successful. That is wishful thinking and a
distortion of reality, such as homo***uals are prone. The force behind
the "boycott" consisted, in actual effort, of Paris, Stevens, Kaufman,
and the Wooden. The first and third are homo***ual, the last stupid, and
the first and third at least partly closeted homo***uals.
It either failed to get the actual sup****t, or was expressly rejected
by: Alec Prianikoff, David Walters, and Meberry68.
Thus the non-boycott side had Alec and David Walters, two well to highly
respected participants, whereas all the sup****ters of the boycott were
disliked, and actually even hated one another.
On the other hand the boycotters were putting a lot more energy into the
fight than the non-boycotters. The result was tending to a sharp
contradiction, in which the most influential participants were isolated.
Do the isolated leaders cave to group pressure, or do they stand their
ground? That is impossible to predict, but what can be predicted is IF
they stand, the group will do the caving. The contradiction must be
resolved one way or another.
Simple observation establishes that Alec and David are not the toys of
group pressures. They are accustomed to lead.
Why go through this? To teach the more talented of you the method of
dialectic reasoning, through an example transparently but interestingly
dialectical.
Damn, I lied again. I'm going to make still another point now. Louis
Proyect exposed himself as a moralist and not a Marxist. By parroting
the exact words of Paris the neo-fascist's regarding how saying
"nigger," "kike," or "butt****er" is grounds for expulsion, he ignored a
whole side of the problem because of his moral pretensions, his belief
that he is a "good person" because he doesn't use certain "offensive"
words. It is an easy route to a moral glow, when one has done no serious
work for his cause in years, has made no sacrifices of his lifestyle,
and has adapted his politics to what HE would RATHER do. (No, let's not
have a lot of theory. Don't tell anyone, but it is too hard for me.)
The side Louis ignored was that you can ALSO be expelled from a
Trotskyist party for calling a comrade, or even a sup****ter, a fascist
or even a s***bag.
Stephen R. Diamond
Subject: Re: Is Diamond gay?
From: "Stephen R. Diamond" <stephen...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Date: Sat, Jul 29, 2000 5:21 PM
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wrote:
> I'm afraid I didn't follow everything on Diamond and homo***uality. Is
he
> gay or doesn't he like gays?
The second. Note, though, that many homo***ual activists argue that
anyone who doesn't like them must really be one of them secretly, based
ONLY on the finding that *some* instances of *irrational*
anti-homo***ual beliefs mask closeted homo***uality.
> And why do you call him a soft-core fascist?
I suppose I should address this, since the accusers have never shown any
serious intent to do so.
In an irresponsibly inflammatory polemic, James Paris, a member, perhaps
a leading member, of the Marxist Workers Group (whose presence outside
the internet is an unknown quantity) called meberry a fascist. Since the
allegation, the most serious possible, was leveled concerning matters
about which I had come to agree substantially with meberry (and in
addition because I believe in elementary solidarity with comrades in the
face of such attacks), I counter-attacked, in the manner in which such
counter-attacks are done on the internet. Paris is a homo***ual (meberry
was arbitrarily excluded from an MWG "summer camp" because of meberry's
Marxist repugnance at the *political expression* of homo***ual
interests.)
I posted a letter by Engels to Marx regarding politicized homo***uality,
in which Engels referred to homo***uals as "butt****ers," and accused
them of trying to exploit the socialist and workers movement for their
unsavory ends. I then proceeded to use that term (with the occasional
"faggot" interspersed) liberally in describing Paris and other
homo***uals who attacked meberry (and later me) as fascist. Whatever
"sin" is involved in calling a homo***ual a "butt****er," it is far
exceeded by that of calling a socalist a fascist, at least on an ng in
which there is no real danger of inciting anti-homo***ual violence.
Paris amended his fascist characterization by calling meberry and me
"soft-core" fascists. He based this on our position on homo***uality (a
disorder; no demands for homo***uals qua homo***uals; homo***uals are
not an "appressed group," at least not in the United States and Britain,
my use of the 'butt****er,' epithet--despite its pedigree from Engels,
my position against the demand for an end to all immigration
restrictions and for *labor* to impose constraints on immigration (the
latter demand is one I have come to doubt, but I do not doubt that the
Open Borders position of the SWP/B and WRP are reactionary--even the SL
refuses it); and a variety of positions he made up out of whole cloth or
out of totally distorting interpretations. He claimed I was anti-union,
anti-women, anti-minority, probably anti-semitic if I remember correctly
(even though I am a Jew), and who knows what else. When questioned about
these other assertions, he has instructed the questioner to search for
his original posting, hoping no doubt that the questioner would be
daunted, and not see the flimsiness of most of the attributions on which
his accusation rested.
Those participants who come from the Spartacist mold, such as Balavanera
(aka NoBalls) and Stevens (aka the Nematode) followed him in boycott.
Many others "boycotted" responding to me until I stopped calling
homo***uals "butt****ers," which I did once I determined my point had
been made that irresponsible accusations of 'fascism' comes with costs.
Some continue their "boycott," finding a convenient excuse to protect
their politics from refutation.
srd
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Kaufman's Hate List 48
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A miserable scabberwocky said:
"This cowardly anonyous ignoramus madmax--evidently a busy courier for
all manner of right-wing propaganda from the bourgeois media--fails to
point out that Nader devotes fully 80 percent of his after-tax income
(about $250,000 per year, mostly in speaking fees) to charitable and
political causes and thus lives on about $25,000 a year, a borderline
poverty level that I'm sure is a good deal less than madmax. For more
than thirty years Nader has livedm in the same modest studio apartment
in Wa****ngton, D.C.; he does not own amhouse or a car. I doubt that
there is a comparable example of material self-sacrificemand dedication
to activist causes anywhere on the far left, where, I have noticed many
pontificating jack*****, many of whom, such as prosperous McCarthyite
computer programmers and hatemongering attorneys, infest this
newsgroup.
Now, "madmax"--if you're a man of such earnest convictions, why do you
post anonymously like a scurrying cockroach? ANSWER THE QUESTION."
madmax makes the list, for enduring the following slanders and lies,
and is our 48th proud member of KAUFMAN'S HATE LIST. Well done,
madmax! You do very good work. Nader is worth about $4,000,000,
I think, and at about 10% interest, his wealth builds $400,000 a year.
Kaufman talks here about his speaking fees, not his mushrooming
personal wealth invested in the stock market. The lies and slanders:
cowardice, anonymity, ignornace, busyness, courierhood, right-wingery,
propagandism, being bourgeois, failure, being richer than Nader,
jackassery, being a McCarthyite, infesting, scurrying, and cockroachery.
I also award madmax a Red Star immediately, for provoking such an
amusing collection of personal insults from Kaurman. Good work, madmax!
(or is it mad_max? Please correct me if I am wrong. This list is
eternal, and must be scrupulously right.)
KAUFMAN'S HATE LIST 48
Prianikoff
Dahlgren
Blackwell
meberry
Vanhoof
Flude
Diamond
Murphy
Gavin
Russ
Collier
Viglielmo
Dale
Malecki
Phillbin
Callaghan
Fason
Paris
Watson
uchural
Black Dragon
Gilders
Balvanera
Stevens
Carroll
redflag
Anon
Anon
anon
Adam
Gerry the Gerbil
Till
CptNemo
Frantz
Hall
Miriam
Cool
Pawlett
Farmalant
Little
Walters
Stoller
Hurd
Lacny
Proyect
Black
Kilgore
madmax
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PROYECT'S RESUME
1. uchural Mar 23 2000, 4:00 am show options
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You miserable dirty little ****
I believe that was the giant gorilla that finger ****ed Fay Wray, right?
the same ****ing rot
You miserable little mother-****er
Get cancer, you little prick
You have a lot of ****ing nerve quoting Rosa Luxemburg
People like yourself who champion Ayn Rand, the Cato Institute, and
Wall Street Journal editorials are no different than the social
democratic s*** who murdered Luxemburg and Liebknecht
libertarian s*** like yourself are good for nothing except defending
cor****ate profits
Therefore, you should get your slimy little ass off this newsgroup and
someplace where you belong
Go there, you little slug, and take your co-religionist Airdale with you
No, what would help is if you took a pistol and stuck the barrel in your
mouth and opened fire
your excesses are driving many
people into fantasizing about plunging knitting needles into your
eyeballs
You are nothing but a s***bag troll like
Watson, aren't you
Are you masochistically inclined
Do you have the same
sickness as Watson who probably masturbates after getting flamed
I believe that was the giant gorilla that finger ****ed Fay Wray, right?
God, such breath-taking stupidity
Stupid pinhead
Next time you make some stupid-ass howler, make it on some other ng,
like alt-hamster-anal-***
You need an IQ of more than 50 to get in the door here
Welcome back, piss-ant
your pimping for imperialism
You really are a moron, aren't you
Do you have a Rebel flag on your bedroom wall next to your
Sylvester Stallone Rambo and Ronald Reagan posters
Only a pinhead fascist apologist like Fason would not understand this
you are a typical braindead fascist
By supplying rats, crows, pigeons and seagulls with the drippings of
your corpse,
you will be doing the first socially beneficial deed of your life
In other cir***stances, I can easily imagine you in jack boots applying
electrodes to a commie's testicles
I regard trolls on apst as inspired by the fascist impulse.
Breathtaking stupidity.
you are obviously just another underachieving punk with a baseball hat
on backwards, who watches too much television
You are a pathetic loser
You should go to the outskirts of town and find the railroad tracks
When the next freight train appears on the horizon, place your
hydrocephalic brain on the tracks and let the train put you out of your
misery
Reading those two in comparison to
this submoron would be like reading Hannah Arendt or Simone Weill side
by side with Reagan's speeches after he developed Alzheimers
Idiot, I already stuffed that cork in your mouth
you are so much of a windup cultist that you can not comprehend that
people do not march around in lockstep like Jehovah's Witnesses
believing that a given magazine or newspaper is the inspired word of
God/Furedi
You are so far-gone in your pod people robot monster methodolgy, that
there is simply no brain cells between your ears that can process the
idea of eclecticism
or individuality.
How boring it must be to live the life of a cultist
Stupid pinhead
What a ****ing idiot
What a stupid, stupid cult boy
I believe that was the giant gorilla that finger ****ed Fay Wray, right?
Somebody go find Fason and tell him we're not done with him
Please take the piece out of your mouth. That is very unsanitary
Cultboy Flude
deserve to get their teeth kicked down their throats just like any other
common fascists
disgusting products of the system like yourself
do you live with your parents and get an allowance
Cultboy Flude
fascist pig
French and British s***
I vote to lobotomize Flude.
laugh in your ignorant face
miserable cor****ation-loving cockroach that you are
My 4-year old nephew Scotty feels the same way. Whenever me and his
dad try to watch a big football game at his house in suburban New
Jersey on his big-screen Panasonic, Scotty gets nuts. During last
year's Superbowl, he made a doody underneath the dining table. Phew!
Did it stink.
others do not want to be bothered with your crap
s***bags like you
s***bags like you
smartass yuppie Thatcherite rats
What a stupid little frat boy you are
Why do you people object to being called colored [or girls]
You dirty s***bag. Get metastasizing testicular cancer
You idiots
you mammon-wor****pping little
flea-brain
your libertarian crap
Learn to read, you ****ing pinhead piece of **** libertarian
Stupid mother****er
Flude, if this newsgroup discovered that a psychotic killer kidnapped
you
on the way to work, took you to a cabin in the wilderness, tied your
head
to an anvil and rained blows upon it with a 20 pound sledge-hammer, I
suspect that an immense cheer would issue forth
everything she writes a total ****ing joke
What is a pain in the ass is when we get a miserable, stinking piece of
troll ****
like yourself posting libertarian arguments 35 times a day to a Marxist
forum
Why don't you find a bunch of pinhead right-wingers like yourself
and leave us alone
I just threw the first person off the Marxism list for
the first time in months
There have been 3 since the list started
The cretin Watson, who was the first. A Healyite sectarian. And the
latest is
a member of the British CP who backed the war in Yugoslavia
These Internet mailing lists and newsgroups are literally infested by
right-wing
lice like yourself
These words by a Marxism list subscriber certainly
describe the problem that the left has in dealing with pro-capitalist
vermin like yourself
Just substitute the word "libertarian" for "pro-war point of view" and
this describes our problem with a s***bag like you
Go **** yourself, you little right wing piece of ****
People hate your guts, Justin, and wish you would go awa.
It is nothing personal, but this newsgroup has to put up with all sorts
of
demented apologists for the capitalist system from pigs like Watson to
libertarians like yourself
You are here because you are a pathetically confused young man
When you have one s***bag piece of **** crossposting from Robert
Conquest and the
other from Ayn Rand followers, it is probably time to put them both
into a
kill file
Take it somewhere else, you little piss-ant
You are wasting our time and your own
You really should take your libertarianism and shove it up your ass
Do you think we need an extra helping of Ayn Rand here, you pathetic
little mutt
Libertarians are big ****ing bores
You miserable dirty little ****
the same ****ing rot
You miserable little mother-****er
Get cancer, you little prick
You have a lot of ****ing nerve quoting Rosa Luxemburg
People like yourself who champion Ayn Rand, the Cato Institute, and
Wall Street Journal editorials are no different than the social
democratic s*** who murdered Luxemburg and Liebknecht
libertarian s*** like yourself are good for nothing except defending
cor****ate profits
Therefore, you should get your slimy little ass off this newsgroup and
someplace where you belong
Go there, you little slug, and take your co-religionist Airdale with you
No, what would help is if you took a pistol and stuck the barrel in your
mouth and opened fire
your excesses are driving many
people into fantasizing about plunging knitting needles into your
eyeballs
You are nothing but a s***bag troll like
Watson, aren't you
Are you masochistically inclined
Do you have the same
sickness as Watson who probably masturbates after getting flamed
Yes, I regret using that word. I should have said asshole instead
You post here in the face of violent hostility
Watson does this presumably because he gets paid
Just piss off from apst
Is there a bigger ****ing idiot on the planet than this guy
he is such an obvious dunce the smirking yuppie Thatcherite Furedi is
just a thumb-sucking editorialist navel-gazing crap such bull****
What a ****ing joke
stop posting so many ****ing times a day
pain in the ass
I have fantasies about burying the two of you
in the sand up to your neck and riding over your heads with
a power lawnmower
septic tank detritus like yourself or
Watson or Uchural or Airdale
a turd in a punchbowl.
you can beat your head against
the wall arguing with vegans and hippies all day long until it is a
mass of blood and ooze
That is best for wiping your arse
you are a severely undereducated, rather smug little toad
you stupid little ignoramus
creeps
Flude, you are a ****ing piece of ****
trolling smirking, yuppie Thatcherite crap from LM
a little ****ing wise-ass
I think we are dealing with a low-IQ problem as epitomized by the Hunter
Watson thing
Dumb piece of **** asshole
I wouldn't be surprised if somebody might be tempted to punch them in
the mouth
you little libertarian pipsqueak
dumb ****
Your worst problem,
however, is not your similarity to body parts
Instead of being called a **** or an asshole, you
would be the object of universal admiration like Timothy
Veigh at a skinhead convention
It has the earmarks of that, you little asshole
God, what a ****ing drooling imbecile
As far as being called a "****" is concerned, you should
acknowledge that I apologized for using this word and now
will only refer to you as an anus
you ****wits
you are such a ****ing pain in the ass why don't you piss off
You are a depoliticized little smirking yuppie Thatcherite whose sole
contact with politics is posting on apst 35 times a day to
get on people's nerves, just like Watson
If apst did not exist, you two would probably blow your brains out
It is the sort of uneducated vomit
which evidently flew right over your pea-brain
you are endorsing genocide just like Watson endorses imperialist wars
I have stopped reading his ****
you are as isolated on apst as a skunk with rabies
Sectarianism is literally an illness
It is the sort of thing that you want to flush down
the toilet and then clean the toilet out with a double-dose
of disinfectant
If you were in a real
physical space with people who belong here--in other words,
real Trotskyists or people like myself who are sympathetic
to Trotsky's writings--you won't have gotten on people's
nerves to such an extent that you would have gotten your
teeth kicked in months ago
Nobody can have a decent debate with you because
you are not human beings, you are mechanical toys with a key
in your back that is wound up by cult masters
****ing dickhead. We've had these ****ing arguments
over and over and over. We've heard all this ****ing ****
too many times already
You two ****ing pieces of yuppie Thatcherite **** are not human beings
You are programmed to quote LM to us like an ATM
I would rather debate an ATM than you two pricks
You and Dale and Uchural and Watson are herpes blisters,
sores that you can't get rid of
Why don't you make the case for what the **** it is
God, what ignorant crap
What a couple of schmucks
ignorant ****
Is that clear enough, pinhead
you under the sway of a bizarre sect-cult led by an nonogenarian
imbecile
cult followers of the old fart Tony Cliff
mindless toads like Dahlgren and Murphy
You know something, Pohl, you are an arrogant little professor-prick
Now, that Poland is "free", its women are emigrating
everywhere to become whores and exotic dancers and chambermaids, while
"free" Russian men are committing suicide in record numbers
You must make your students sick to their stomach
What a nasty little right-wing **** you are
I had no idea that you were such a creepy little Reaganite
If you don't get up to speed on
Marxist thought, I will continue to insult you. You have a lot of
****ing nerve intervening on a Marxist forum without any evident
knowledge of the Marxist methodology
If you were my teacher, I'd throw a custard pie in your face
tens of thousands of Polish and Russian women have been lured into the
*** industry by gangsters. They must sell their body to survive
Anticommunists who post to apst are the lowest s*** on earth
(What does the "J" stand for, by the way? Jejune?)
What flatulent garbage
England has dispatched its troops in order to overcompensate for
neurotic envy of rival imperial powers, whose rulers are generally
perceived to have larger *****es and an ability to sustain an erection
for a longer period
STUPID IDIOT. WHY DO YOU KEEP SKIPPING LINES IN YOUR POSTS. ARE YOU
DRUNK OR ON MEDICATION OF SOME SORT?
you smirking Thatcherite idiot
Since you post here10 times a day nearly every ****ing day of the year
You remind me of the sleazy, money-grubbing
characters who were ****trayed
you are probably the creepiest people on this newsgroup
At least with Watson, we know we are dealing with
either a cop or a borderline personality
typical jack-ass yuppie
take your miserable ass somewhere else
Yuppie Thatcherite s*** Gary Dale
he is just like Watson, a rightwing loser who feels the need to
annoy other human beings who he knows will never buy into
his crap
state capitalist monkeys
None of this means **** to you
middle-class white boys
the rightwing bull**** he posts to apst
This is just a ****ing vicious lie
If you mapped out a spectrum of political
thinking on apst, Dale might be to the right of Watson.
If you mapped out a spectrum of political
thinking on apst, Dale might be to the right of Watson
Which means that he would be Hitler to Watson's Franco
God, what stupidity
Russian women, driven to desperation, get recruited into prostitution
by the tens of thousands
this punk
Wy am I surrounded by such whillfully stupid people.
You mean the cult-sect literature that has addled your brain
obnoxious
You should take a lead pipe and smack
yourself over the head until unconsciousness
You stupid mutt
YOU TWO-BIT NORMAN THOMAS ANTI-COMMUNIST IDIOT
God, these snot-nosed creeps
this ignorant, lying piece of ****
even a hydrocephalic piece of excrement like Murphy
you dumb **** Menshevik
s***bags
this s***
the other capitalist pig Watson
Look, you little Norman Thomas wanabee, I am done with
you and have flushed you down the toilet. If you insist on
mentioning my name in any of your filthy anti-communist,
State Department rants, you will be sorry. Get it? Now get
lost.
The only thing I don't get is how shooting foxes will
help to usher in proletarian revolution. Is the idea to
start with foxes first and then move on to landlords and
bankers?
he was also never taught to act like a decent human being by his
parents
Must have been raised in the woods by skunks
one-line smart-ass libertarian jibe
No would we spend five minutes
in the company of someone like Dale, who doesn't even bother
to camouflage his libertarian spam with left-wing jargon,
but pukes them whole, just like a drunken frat-boy on a
saturday night after one bottle of Coors too many
longer Flude stays on apst, the more hatred
he arouses
like a Turk on a Kurdish newsgroup--not to debate, but
to annoy with his spam
Truly insane
fox-hunting, networked with crypto-fascists
conferences sponsored by Absolut Vodka
your usual jerk-off praises
Naw, I was making a point that sailed over your cultist
head. If you just appeared here for the first time and
uttered such banalities, it would spark a discussion. Now,
it is just a joke like Vigliemo urging people to read
Bogdanov, or Watson reminding us about the gulags
What crap
Look at what Trotsky's writings have done for
you--turn you into an idle, boasting, chauvinistic windbag
What about Mars and Venus, you craven sell-out
I had to listen to Kevin Murphy's bull****
Sneering at small countries fighting for independence
and social justice can only be possible in a
place where insularity and petty-mindedness bred from
300 years of Empire can infect the socialist movement
More idiocy
****wit, it's spelled ANALYSIS. ANALYSIS. ANALYSIS. ANALYSIS
This is so ****ing ridiculous that it is hardly worth answering
Instead of listening to a Trotskyite windbag like Mr. Dingleberry, it is
preferable to pay heed to the class enemy which has both feet on the
ground rather than engaging in Walter Mitty fantasies like Mr.
Dingleberry
You have never organized anything except a trip to the local
grocery store to pick up food for supper.
Judging by the ranting crudeness of your posts here,
I suspect that you would have preparing
a TV dinner.
you are a total ZERO politically
Nobody would ever send an assassin to kill you
You are dead to begin with
empty bombastic phrasemongers like
yourself, who have never accomplished anything in the class struggle
You should go check out a brothel yourself
That way you might not
feel the need to masturbate politically so much
Up with pepperoni Pizzas!!!
I am not going to argue with you on these questions, since you
have no credentials as a leftist
If is obviously bull**** that any Marxist on this list rejected
when they decided to become a Trotskyist or whatever
LM is a bunch of ****ing piss-ant wanker professors and technicians
making high salaries who have found capitalism to their liking. I don't
have a
problem with people like this. I only wish they would piss off from
this newsgroup, starting with cultboys Flude and Dale, the two
smirking yuppie Thatcherites.
"WHEN FRANK FUREDI TAKES A ****, HE DEMANDS THAT GARY DALE
AND I WIPE HIS ASS WHICH I AM ONLY TOO HAPPY TO DO. BUT
YESTERDAY FUREDI ASKED ME IF I THOUGHT HIS BOWEL MOVEMENT
SMELLED LIKE ROSES. NOT AT ALL, I INSISTED, THEY ARE RATHER
LIKE VIOLETS."
intellectual shallowness
God, what a ****ing idiot
Look, I am anxious to discuss these questions about Cuba with anybody
and everybody. Well, not exactly. With Flude I only discuss DDT and
with Watson I discuss nothing
Dingleberry, you are not only politically illiterate, you are
illiterate period
The four of you are cut from the same
cloth. As a matter of fact, you and Dale should make the
trip out to Michigan and join Watson in one of his
male-bonding, goose-stepping weekend retreats. You'd fit
right in. Make sure to give LM contributor Ron Arnold a
call. He'd bring along some of the jack-booted Northeast
militia types who are part of his "wise use" movement. You
can play Nazi drinking songs on the stereo, read Wa****ngton
Times editorials to each other, then change into white robes
and go out looking for black people to beat up
Or maybe it was Rush who changed his mind and
admitted that he was full of ****. Okay, now I remember. It is LM that
is still full of ****. That's the biodiversity they're responsible
for: manure in the pages of a yuppie Thatcherite rag
Mr. Dingleberry, you seem to have some kind of obsession with
brothels. First, it was the Cuban brothel that Castro was running, now
it is the USA. You should take care of that thing--you know, the one
between your legs. If you got laid once a year, maybe you'd stop
pestering apst with your ***ual hangups
From a NY Times article detailing the effects of the worst E.coli
outbreak in US history which occurred recently in upstate NY. One must
yearn for such an illness to attack the LM cult, pimps for the
fast-food industry
Fason, you stupid mother****er
What kind of ****ed-up stupid head
liberal are you and why are you trolling on a Trotskyist newsgroup
Are you Watson's latest alter ego
Who gave you permission to attack me as a
cheerleader for Stalinist marching bands
I have ignored you for months, you little provocative trouble-maker.
Stupid little mother-****er low-life liberals like yourself
Somebody get this asshole a brain transplant. Line up a squirrel
God, what a drooling imbecile we are dealing with
Stupid ****ing asshole
you little ignorant piece of ****
Yeah, ****head
The problem with all you knucklehead trolls
is that you keep repeating the same bull**** over and over again.
Watson's gulags, Vigliemo's Bogdanov and your DDT
you punk asshole.
What the **** are you, but an arrogant troll looking for a fight on a
newsgroup devoted to the thought of one of the century's greatest
Marxist thinkers.
If you don't find something intelligent to say, you might end up in a
killfile with Watson and Uchural, where you probably belong.
Stupid mother-****er
Pol Pot was a much of a "communist" as the man in the moon
Go **** your mother
Stupid ****
You haven't read a book in years
Because you are a middle-class idiot Murphy, you are really a dumb
piece of **** Or--better yet--are you endowed with typing fingers, but
not a brain
you drooling imbecile
you kindergartner
third-rate thinker
In point of fact, Faurisson, you seem to lack even the smattering of
familiarity with Marx's thought that even the imbecilic Watson professed
you are nothing but a loud-mouthed lout of the sort that wears
baseball caps backwards and watches 3 hours of television each night
go troll on some newsgroup where your ignorance is not so obvious
Instead of masturbating to this fantasy, you masturbate to fantasies
about
classless societies
You are clearly the biggest ****ing imbecile to show up on this
newsgroup in some while
You must be some kind of masochist
Is it fun to come across like a drooling imbecile
I believe that was the giant gorilla that finger ****ed Fay Wray, right
Where's the piss-ant Fason
Stupid pinhead
Next time you make some stupid-ass howler, make it on some
other ng, like alt-hamster-anal-***
You need an IQ of more than 50 to get in the door here
Welcome back, piss-ant
your pimping for imperialism
You really are a moron, aren't you
Do you have a Rebel flag on your bedroom wall next to your
Sylvester Stallone Rambo and Ronald Reagan posters
Only a pinhead fascist apologist like Fason would
not understand this
idiot rightwingers like yourself
you are a typical braindead fascist
Breathtaking stupidity
Reading those two in comparison to
this submoron would be like reading Hannah Arendt or Simone Weill side
by side with Reagan's speeches after he developed Alzheimers
Idiot, I already stuffed that cork in your mouth
youare so much of a windup cultist that you can not comprehend that
people do not march around in lockstep like Jehovah's Witnesses
believing that a given magazine or newspaper is the inspired word of
God/Furedi
You are so far-gone in your pod people robot monster methodolgy,
that there is simply no brain cells between your ears that can
process the idea of eclecticism or individuality
How boring it must be to live the life of a cultist
By supplying rats, crows, pigeons and seagulls with the drippings
of your corpse, you will be doing the first socially beneficial
deed of your life
In other cir***stances, I can easily imagine you in jack boots applying
electrodes to a commie's testicles
I regard trolls on apst as inspired by the fascist impulse
you are obviously just another underachieving punk with a
baseball hat on backwards, who watches too much television
You are a pathetic loser
You should go to the outskirts of town and find the railroad tracks
When the next freight train appears on the horizon, place your
hydrocephalic brain on the tracks and let the train put you out of your
misery
pinhead
birdbrain
cultishly devoted to a party
****ing idiot
like a jargon-drunk libertarian bulemic pukes them
whole into this newsgroup (ex-party, actually) rag
middle-class wankers
Pinhead
s***bag cor****ations
Yes, lice with swastikas would be one way of putting it
Do you take after your mommy or your daddy
Do you prefer the missionary position during *** to other positions
What is your favorite football team
Do you enjoy farting in the bathtub
****ing cult-boy
What a ****ing total idiot
God, such breath-taking stupidity
Stupid pinhead
Next time you make some stupid-ass howler, make it on some other ng,
like alt-hamster-anal-***
You need an IQ of more than 50 to get in the door here
Welcome back, piss-ant
your pimping for imperialism
You really are a moron, aren't you
Do you have a Rebel flag on your bedroom wall next to your
Sylvester Stallone Rambo and Ronald Reagan posters
Only a pinhead fascist apologist like Fason would not understand this
you are a typical braindead fascist
By supplying rats, crows, pigeons and seagulls with the drippings of
your corpse,
you will be doing the first socially beneficial deed of your life
In other cir***stances, I can easily imagine you in jack boots applying
electrodes to a commie's testicles
I regard trolls on apst as inspired by the fascist impulse.
Breathtaking stupidity.
you are obviously just another underachieving punk with a baseball hat
on backwards, who watches too much television
You are a pathetic loser
You should go to the outskirts of town and find the railroad tracks
When the next freight train appears on the horizon, place your
hydrocephalic brain on the tracks and let the train put you out of your
misery
Reading those two in comparison to
this submoron would be like reading Hannah Arendt or Simone Weill side
by side with Reagan's speeches after he developed Alzheimers
Idiot, I already stuffed that cork in your mouth
you are so much of a windup cultist that you can not comprehend that
people do not march around in lockstep like Jehovah's Witnesses
believing that a given magazine or newspaper is the inspired word of
God/Furedi
You are so far-gone in your pod people robot monster methodolgy, that
there is simply no brain cells between your ears that can process the
idea of eclecticism
or individuality.
How boring it must be to live the life of a cultist
Stupid pinhead
What a ****ing idiot
What a stupid, stupid cult boy
I believe that was the giant gorilla that finger ****ed Fay Wray, right?
Somebody go find Fason and tell him we're not done with him
Please take the piece out of your mouth. That is very unsanitary
Cultboy Flude
deserve to get their teeth kicked down their throats just like any other
common fascists
disgusting products of the system like yourself
do you live with your parents and get an allowance
Cultboy Flude
fascist pig
French and British s***
I vote to lobotomize Flude.
laugh in your ignorant face
miserable cor****ation-loving cockroach that you are
My 4-year old nephew Scotty feels the same way. Whenever me and his
dad try to watch a big football game at his house in suburban New
Jersey on his big-screen Panasonic, Scotty gets nuts. During last
year's Superbowl, he made a doody underneath the dining table. Phew!
Did it stink.
others do not want to be bothered with your crap
s***bags like you
s***bags like you
smartass yuppie Thatcherite rats
What a stupid little frat boy you are
Why do you people object to being called colored [or girls]
You dirty s***bag. Get metastasizing testicular cancer
You idiots
you mammon-wor****pping little
flea-brain
your libertarian crap
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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(anarchivist's note: please find below the collected thoughts of William
Kaufman, ex-SWP member during the Vietnam War and a few years
afterward, now enemy of socialism and ****ll for Ralph Nader, suspected
of being an "editor" in New York, who is obviously fearful of losing his
job because "McCarthyites" and "police" have him "under surveillance",
and if this self-admitted party affiliation becomes widely known, he
thinks he might lose his soft bourgeois job down at the office. William
Kaufman on Slaves and Boys. His interest in the anus is what ties this
all together, I think. His own words.)
And, by the way, deadslag--if you want to keep track of who's yanking
whom, you might recall that you have initiated EVERY one of our
exchanges. I have never directed an initial post to you, but you have by
now initiated dozens to me. It's a matter of public record that anyone
can check by following the threads back. You are attracted to me like
the moth to the flame. You're an obsessed masochist, blindly impelled by
the need to have your ignorance and craven lack of character exposed by
me, like a helpless slave on a dog collar in a dungeon. You long to be
burned alive by me and public--by now it's a gruesome ritual In your
wanton self-loathing, you live for nothing else but the op****tunity for
beg for my withering blasts. You now have no other life. You are reduced
to my chronic and gleeful vicitm. You know no other joy than lying in
ashes at my feet. It is truly your just deserts--or is that desserts,
retardo boy?
Now bark, slaveboy! Tell us more about whom you haven't read! Treat us
to more butchery of the English language! Bark, you retarded slaveboy!
You were a bit disobedient there for while, puppet slaveboy. Now you're
back to twitching in response to my every move on APST, as you have
always done in the past, like the obedient cult slave that you are. Now
no more lapses . . . .
By the way, if anyone were as devoid of purpose in life as Murphy seems
to be and actually had the time to start ferreting out old posts of APST
participants, they would find Murphy's priceless taunts of Diamond for
his alleged alcoholism and cruel taunting of Dragon for supposed mental
deficiencies--all this from a sad reprobate who is on the verge of being
tossed out of Brandeis for criminal impersonation of a graduate student.
Sad indeed. But, as I 've said before, I'm glad to give the wastrel
Murphy a reason for living as he slavishly, with perfectly pathetic
predictablility to my every move on APST like the moth to the flame,
even compulsively recycling six-month-old like a helpless retard, which
is what he is in a way, his mind reduced to ashes by years of slavering
devotion to a religious cult.
I have NEVER launched a personal thread against Dahlgren, but he has
launched at least ten personal posts against me in the past month alone,
a fact that I do***ented so thorougly last month that if completely shut
Dahlgren's mouth. Exactly who was it who launched this purely personal
thread? Was it me or Dahlgren? And exactly who was it who launched the
last purely personal thread? Was it you or me? You're a vicious failure,
Murphy, who spends more time counting posts on APST than working on his
dissertation. That's why your Brandeis welfare program is heading for a
nasty crash. That's unfortunate, because there are very few job openings
for people whose chief vocational skills are discussing the class nature
of the Soviet Union in the 1920s and obsessively flaming political
opponents on a newsgroup. You'd better hope the ISO makes a revolution
here in the next year, because if they don't, you're going to end up on
a streetcorner in a cardboard box, muttering insanely to yourself about
Diamond's alleged drunkenness, my imaginary personal flames against
Dahlgren, Dragon's mental deficiencies, etc., while nobody passersby
give you a wide berth. Now, slaveboy, I command you to ignore you
dissertation AGAIN today and spend all your time counting my posts on
APST. Then, if you're not so depressed at the thought of how you spend
your life that you jump in front of an onru****ng truck, I command you to
answer this and all my posts like an obedient slave boy, just so you'll
have a purpose in life.
Murphy, the howling irony here is that YOU live in hopeless dependency
on my posts, driven helplessly to your computer screen in slavering
devotion to my every move on APST, faithfully recycling your hoary
sunset quip (your tinny little boy scout's badge of pride, your only
accomplishment in the last year) every time I post a correction,
self-contradictorily denouncing the obsession with my posts while
yourself obsessing over them--in short, chronically revealing yourself
to be a total madman in serious need of a purpose in life OTHER than
cleaving to my every word. I'm flattered to have a stalker, but I'd
prefer one whose overall character didn't smell quite so bad.
Now you keep dancing to my tune, boy. Let's have another response--RIGHT
NOW--to show that you're my little obsessed slaveboy, that your life is
so degraded that no other purpose animates it than twitching helplessly
in response to my every move on APST. Right now, slave. Another
response. And another, to every one of my posts and corrections, until I
give you permission to stop. Got that, slaveboy?
By the way--I'm beginning to think a boycott of Justin (who has as many
aliases as Watson--now he's using Chief Clanger, although I've
recommended Austin Powers) is also in order. His posts are invariably
snide little snippets whose main point seems to be to prove (a) what a
clever little boy he is and (b) what an obedient little cult lapdog he
is. The point is that if he and others of his ilk wish to raise
good-faith, open-minded discussions of issues, fine. If he and others
come out here in post after post as political robots beating the same
drum of groupthink and intolerantly dismissing any thought that falls
outside the boundaries prescribed for their little cult, then I think
they, too, should be ignored. The purpose of this group should be
serious engagement, not intolerant, broken-record recitations of some
cult's party line. If that's their preference, they can accomplish it
more effectively with leaflets on a streetcorner.
In "Flude: Cultboy Unbound" and "The NIC's: Part I" I furnished lots of
facts, statistics, quotations, and arguments for you to pick from if you
had cared to venture a serious reply. But by now it's obvious to
everyone on the list that the only things you're serious about is
pu****ng your beloved cultmag--evidently your only source of reading
material aside from your randomized Lenin Quotomatic Machine--and oozing
****zoid glee over all the beneficent doings of those big, bad, muscular
multinational cor****ations. But don't be such a panty-waist, Fludey boy.
We know you must have some ammunition other than your patented
one-liners (two-liners if you've had your tea). Or have you completely
shot your wad in masturbatory fantasies about the joys of cor****ate
plunder?
Looks like you're taking the sixties mantra that "the personal is the
political" a little too seriously here--your comments about the Watson
boycott are just too bizarre to believe. If you think it's productive
for the newsgroup to trade insults with him 24/7, be my guest,
especially if you're the kind of person who would allow a personal snit
at me to overshadow the good of the newsgroup as a whole--but then that
doesn't sound very comradely, much less very socialist,now, does it,
Billy boy? Just sit down with some chamomile tea, take a few deep
breaths, and you'll feel better. Moving on to matters of substance--if
you need to believe that two different human beings were clones to
satisfy your sense of religious attachment to them, by all means go
ahead. But to keep things on point for the moment--just a moment, and
then you can go back to throwing your patented hissy fit like a bad
caricature of a temperamental prima dona--if you can find one word Marx
ever wrote expounding on any sort of ontology or a dialectics of nature,
I'd like to see it. On the other hand, I can cite many passages in which
Marx speaks of freedom and necessity in a Kantian/Hegelian sense that in
inimical to Engels's conceptions. Now let's have a lesson in human
realities: the two men were close collaborators, but they did not
mind-meld: it's perfectly conceivable that Engels's flights into
ontology were not to Marx's taste, even if he failed to publicly rebuke
him or disassociate himself, for what might have been reasons of
personal respect and tact, since those positions did not seem
immediately at odds with any of the practical conclusions that were most
critical for Marx. But that is a conjecture as pure as yours for
wondering why there was no public disagreement. Maybe they were just
good Leninists--disagreeing on ontology in private, but presenting a
united front to the world. That's certainly a tactic you, the fervent
Leninist, would no doubt endorse, right? (Did the tea help?)
I like the "Sorry Professor"--just the right touch of militant
philistinism we would expect from a rabid exemplar of groupthink. Marx
and Engels polemicized against a merely ideological critique not rooted
in an understanding of class dynamics (just like Flude) and productive
relations. In other words, the critique of ideology is a necessary but
not sufficient condition of the overthrow of capitalism--you know, all
that business about the arms of criticism being powerless without the
criticism of arms. The obverse of this, of course, is that the criticism
of arms without the arms of criticism would lead to programmatic
confusion and some variant of reformist or utopian cul-de-sac. So that's
the logical category: necessary but not sufficient. You certainly waste
a lot of everyone's time out here by having skipped out on your
elementary logic cl*****, Flude. Now I have two questions for you: (1.)
Exactly what role is played in the overthrow of capitalism by abject
far-right apologetics for multinational cor****ations? (2.) Since you
feel free to drop the names of Habermas and the Frankfurt School, would
you care to tell us something about their philosophical theories or
their theories of contem****ary politics, citing exactly which books by
any of them that you have actually read? Every time you post out here
you compound your theoretical cluelessness with a practical haplessness
that pushes ever further the boundaries of unembarrassable incoherency.
An avowedly anti-Marxist, anti-socialist errand boy for big capital
lecturing the world on the true meaning of Marx and socialism!
Effrontery this rich is beyond irony--it can only emanate from a
functional idiot.
Be forewarned by the following the Gilders, who has recently threatened
to abandon the Watson boycott, is now launching an LM boycott. The boy
is so full of whimsy!
Hoorah! Hoorah!
Watson + Uchural ... Flude + Dale ...
and they all love each other ... four members of a happily *****uous
family!
Isn't it interesting that Watson keeps solidarizing with Dale and Flude,
and the LM Brothers give an occasional nod of approval to Watson? Here
is Watson, constantly attacking the Bolshevik Revolution and Lenin, and
Flude and Dale, who claim to be defenders of the legitimacy of the
Russian Revolution and Lenin's role therein, never respond to any of
this ... their only posts directed at Watson are "Right on, old chap"
posts commending him for supposedly getting the better of the wicked
Marxists. For his part, Watson, who admits to having read very little
primary Marxist literature, has recently jumped up to commend Flude for
allegedly demonstrating that I don't understand Marx! ...
Mr. Flude completes the doctrinal humiliation of the "Marxist" William
Gilders in a perfectly civil fa****on in language both elegant and
efficient.
One can almost hear Watson's tongue as it runs across Flude's boot!
Flude should be pleased as punch that the arch anti-Marxist Watson
considers him a competent defender of Marx. Watson even likes Flude's
style and manner! Such a polite boy!
That Watson and the LM Brothers get along so well speaks volumes about
each of them! Trolls of different species still recognize "kin" and
quickly establish close relations. Their differences (Flude thinks "an
iron dictator****p" is a great thing and believes literally that eating
the rich is a good solution for famine ... Watson keeps screaming
REMEMBER THE TERROR!) seem unim****tant to them as they focus on their
common identity as trolls.
I wish them well, but I would ask that they go elsewhere to sniff each
other's nether parts.
It's another one of those elementary logical/semantic disitinctions that
your cult-addled mind has so much trouble grasping: the Guardian is a
reliable source, and you and Dale and LM are not. The Guardian's
re****ting of LM cult members' words can be taken for the truth, so we
are indeed hearing LM in its own words; anything emanating from your
programmed tongue cannot. Thanks to the Guardian piece, which warrants
reposting every few months as long as pseudo-Marxist rightists are
trolling through apst, any objective reader can see through your
obscurantist haze to the reactionary core of your sick little operation.
Just be sure not to crush or otherwise mutilate the picture of Fat
Furedi you keep under your pillow, Cultboy. Big Brother doesn't like
that sort of thing.
OK, you asked for it, Cultboy--I'm going to post all of Luxemburg's
letters from prison--unexpurgated--so that everyone out here can see
what a mendacious, incoherent propagandist you really are. You are the
past master of misleading quotation--my response simply emphasized
****tions--a common enough practice out here--of a text that anyone could
have read by simply moving up the thread. For you, the maestro of
distortion--who has tried to use quotations to pass off procaptialist
versions of Lenin and Trotsky, under cir***stances in which the complete
context was NOT available in the thread, as it was in this case--is
beyond effrontery and into sheer malice. But that's the sort of behavior
we have come to expect from cultists.
A fetid skunk like Lacny thinks that a killfile is an open invitation to
spread lies unchallenged. It's kind of pathetic that he thinks it's some
kind of major victory that I would pay attention to him, but it simply
shows how starved for attention and self-esteem the poor boy is and how
much he values my regard. I'm deeply flattered.
Now--a few corrections before the slimy Stalinist--he of the icepick
jokes and the constant references to "Trotskyite wreckers"--goes back
into the trash bin where he belongs. Contrary to Lacny's lie, the
preponderance of Proyect's posts to APST, at least throught the past six
months, were on his Columbia account, including ALL of the posts in
which he served as a McCarthyite police agent. Moreover, I never said
ANYWHERE that my motive or intention was to get Proyect fired. Those are
Proyet's words and those of his loyal Stalinist lapdog.
Thanks for serving as an errand boy for a Stalinist. Don't you have any
pride left? His remarks, by the way, are really too stupid to warrant
comment.
Why don't you speak these slander to my face, you miserable liar and
coward? Just name the street corner and time on the Upper West Side, and
I'll be glad to show you some working-class justice you'll never
forget--if you're not too busy ****lling for the WTO, running tutorials
for fascists, and speaking up in defense of antigay bigots, that is.
You're insane response to any persistent disagreement is to accuse your
opponent of being a police agent, especially if he has repeatedly
trounced you in debate, as I have over the past week. And if you deny
it, I'll be glad to post the dozen or so rejoinders from me that have
gone unanswered by you. Moreover, if you want to count posts, I'll be
glad to tally up the TENS OF THOUSANDS of lengthy screeds you devoted
for SEVERAL YEARS to the attention of the NAZI Watson--an activity that
was your chief form of daily activity of any time for what amounts to a
whole ERA of your life.
You lose because the concept of intellectual consistency or honesty is
utterly foreign to you. Just last week you cited Chomsky as one of the
people you most admire. Now you attack him as a traitor. This is typical
of your other, copious intellectual follies: asserting the primacy of
philosophical method in areas where you agree with Trotsky, and denying
it where you don't; attacking reformism yet uncritically posting
articles advocating internal reform of the imperialist WTO rather than
its aboliton; covering yourself in the mantle of Trotskyism yet
implicitly disputing his explicit criteria for socialist democracy in
relation to Cuba; claiming to be a materialist yet defining yourself as
a socialist in a way that is purely ideational, divorced from meaningful
political practice; serving as an errand boy for arrant Stalinists.
Moreover, if you want to count posts, I'll be happy to go back into
deja.com
Wrong again, dunderhead. YOU are the one who initiated the vituperation
between us, as I have already do***ented. So you are totally full of
****, an egregious phony of the worst order. If you don't like the
result of your "lying sack of ****" sally, then refrain from that kind
of thing in the future. I only dole it out to people who initiate it
with me--typically people like you who can dish it out but not take it.
Whassamatter little boy, why are you whining? Did I hurt your feelings?
Awww . . .
Moreover, no one who blithely and snidely jokes about Trotsky's murder
and talks about "Trotskyite wreckers" deserves anything but outright
contempt. As soon as I'm satisfied that your odious Stalinism is general
knowledge out here and that you're being effectively boycotted, you can
be sure that you won't hear from me--or anyone else.
I haven't claimed any knowledge in any field in which I have no
knowledge. I have simply pointed out--correctly--that Proyect is (a)
ignorant in Critical Theory and (b) a loudmouth hypocrite. About you I
have correctly pointed out--also correctly--that you are a Stalinist
Lackey Boy.
Nice try, you pathetic liar. My comment to you about Flude occurred
initially many months ago. I tried to appeal to reason again a couple of
weeks ago, privately and discreetly, as I did six months ago when you
were locked in your fervent tutorial embrace with the nazi sociopath
Watson, who seemed to be your only reason for living for months on end.
And exactly what does that have to do with my views on Nader? You've
known of my presence here for six months. You have answered or not at
your leisure. You have just presented a flimsy excuse to make it appear
that you were not acting out of your own free will in responding to me.
"Oh, your comments about Flude made me do it!" Gee, Louis, why don't you
throw in Satan while you're at it--another glimpse into the desperate
maneuvers of a second-rate mind unable to take responsibility for his
own actions--namely, his hounding of my every post on Nader for the past
ten days. That's your doing, Louis, not the movements of the stars. Deal
with it, woos boy. Exactly who spent his entire Memorial furiously
sniffing out the entire Nader inventory of Lexis/Nexis just to answer
little old me on a newsgroup with about three hundred people? Was it
Satan that made you do that, loser boy? Or are you just a vampire,
frightened of the daylight?
You spend so much time in front of your computer screen--holidays
included--that I don't doubt that you've begun to have olfactory
hallucinations. You simply must get out for a walk, loser boy.
And as far as the title "ignoramus" goes, I have succeeded in exposing
your raging stupidity and ignorance on at least a dozen issues over the
past few days--from Katha Pollitt's inveterate sup****t for liberal
Democrats to your mistaken assumption about Nader's member****p in Public
Citizen to your erroneous ideas about Morris Dees's influence over
Public Citizen to your role as choir boy for the cor****ate establishment
in luring China into the imperialist spider web of the WTO. Instead of
responding to these points, you have ****rked EVERY ONE OF THEM, waving a
white flag of defeat each time with a lame quip. That you are now
reverting to your standard mode of abuse is hardly surprising, but
either way you are writhing in defeat. You haven't made a serious,
accurate, or theoretically sustainable point in this whole
discussion--unless you think it's a great victory for your own Marixst
bona fides that you attack major left breaks with capitalism, love to
discourse with bigots and nazis, cozy up to liberal Democrats like
Pollitt, passionately lie down with petit-bourgeois fat-cat analyst
dilettantes like Kovel, and line up behind Kissinger, Albright, Delay,
and all of cor****ate America on China and the WTO. It's a disgraceful
record, the legacy, admittedly rather minor, of a strident dogmatist
desperately searching for some affirmation of his im****tance after a
lifetime of professional failure and intellectual overreaching. There's
no sadder case than you on this newsgroup or in the whole world, for
that matter, Proyect. I suggest you start with that option of finding a
girlfriend, getting a life, and moving on from there.
Oooooh, tough-boy computer programmer with the big paunch and the empty
activist resume. We're all shaking, tough library boy. How's the air in
the archives these days, superrevolutionary?
Now, I've repeatedly challenged you to offer more of your
liberal-reformist ballot prop suggestions for campaign 2000, as you did
so generously in last November's California elections. Every good
revolutionary should have a clear position on such inconsequential
fluff, even if it's the only clear position he's ever taken on anything,
as is the case with you, posture boy.
And your own stroke of nonsuperficial nourishment to the newsgroup would
be exactly what? Your recommendations for reformist proposals on the
California ballot? Other than that all I can find is an abundance of
smarmy sniping at the left--Rush Limbaugh style--and a paucity of
political or theoretical substance--aside from your one mild divagation
into the subject of the passive voice, which merely exposed you as a
half-educated hot-air balloon. Nobody out here finds you clever or
trenchant, so just whom do you think you're impressing, fop boy?
You're a deluded fraud, a snarling hypocrite--an authentic enemy of the
left, an objective errand boy for the ruling class in its war against
the left. Your post shows that instead of focusing on your self-assigned
tasks to proselytize the industrial workers, you have been seething with
egotistical rage over my exposure of your hapless, two-faced engagement
with the petit-bourgeois radicals you make it your life's work to
denounce--only in theory, of course, when you're not preoccupied
chatting with them on the Internet. Your post is a damning revelation of
a psyche devoted entirely to your individualist agenda--exorcising
personal demons, settling personal scores--rather than focusing on
political tasks. You are more concerned with me than you are with the
working class. What you need is not a Web page and a fantasy
International--what you need is an experienced psychoanalyst to bring
you back into touch with the reality principle--and soon, before you
have a chance to do any more campaigning against the left on behalf of
your objectie allies on the ruling class, who are no doubt cheering on
your efforts to undermine an independent mass progressive movement in
the United States.
You're about as revolutionary as the average patient in a mental patient
who fancies himself the King of England--the only difference is that you
fancy yourself the King of the Prol |
