For those who don't know some of the personalities, Bill Kaufman (aka
"Kaufmanure,") was a liberal who tried to get a socialist poster
(Louis Project) fired from his job for posting.
James Paris was a homo***ual activitist who pretended to lead a small
communist sect and who called anyone who rejected his gay liberation
program 'fascist s***bags." Later, he suddenly announced that he was
moving far right politically and abandoned his pretend sect.
The most extreme methods of verbal struggle proved justified against
these two, although I regret my improper use of the label
"neofascist." But nothing else, although these days I would lack the
energy for such a campaign.
srd
On May 18, 12:09=A0pm, "Tom Checksmix" <cereal_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "Daniele Futtorovic" <da.futt.n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> news:g0ptf9$kal$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
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> > On 2008-05-18 19:46 +0100, stephen allegedly wrote:
> >> On May 17, 3:21 pm, dusty <trackdu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >>> Clinical eh?
>
> >>> What would you recommend Doc? Pre-frontal lobotomy, shock therapy or
> >>> just large dodes of the latest chemotherapeutant?
>
> >> What do YOU recommend for homo***uals, since I think you
approximately
> >> share my views on that category? Even under modern bourgeois
> >> democracies, the =A0presence of even overt psychosis does not justify
> >> imposing treatment. The issue here is to protect socialism from
> >> adaptation to those who purposes are necessarily sectarian in the
> >> extreme, as Engels recognized with respect to homo***uality.
>
> >> srd
>
> > O_O
>
> > Socialism needs to be protected from... homo***uals. SRD's on a
crusade =
to
> > preserve the hetero***uality of socialism.
>
> > This is getting better and better... NOT!
>
> > --
> > DF.
> > to reply privately, change the top-level domain
> > in the FROM address from "invalid" to "net"
>
> From the apst archives - who and what the comrades are:
>
> uchural =A0 Jul 7 1999, 3:00 am =A0 =A0 show options
>
> Newsgroups: alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
> From: uchural <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Find messages by this author
> Date: 1999/07/07
> Subject: Proyect's Morning
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> Re****t Abuse
>
> Not even noon, and Columbia University's computers have
> churned out the following for the world to read:
>
> The Morally Filthy Louis N. Proyect Has a Busy Morning
> ______________________________=AD_______________
>
> You miserable dirty little ****
>
> the same ****ing rot
>
> You miserable little mother-****er
>
> Get cancer, you little prick
>
> You have a lot of ****ing nerve quoting Rosa Luxemburg
>
> People like yourself who champion Ayn Rand, the Cato Institute, and
> Wall Street Journal editorials are no different than the social
> democratic s*** who murdered Luxemburg and Liebknecht
>
> libertarian s*** like yourself are good for nothing except defending
> cor****ate profits
>
> Therefore, you should get your slimy little ass off this newsgroup and
> someplace where you belong
>
> Go there, you little slug, and take your co-religionist Airdale with you
>
> No, what would help is if you took a pistol and stuck the barrel in your
> mouth and opened fire
>
> your excesses are driving many
> people into fantasizing about plunging knitting needles into your
> eyeballs
>
> You are nothing but a s***bag troll like
> Watson, aren't you
>
> Are you masochistically inclined
>
> =A0Do you have the same
> sickness as Watson who probably masturbates after getting flamed
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> uchural =A0 Aug 14 2000, 3:00 am =A0 =A0 show options
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> Newsgroups: alt.politics.socialism.trotsky
> From: uchural <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Date: 2000/08/14
> Subject: the butt****er posts of a bigot
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> Abuse
>
> A bigot said:
>
> "I do think one of the most im****tant functions of this ng is
> to put participants' conduct *within* the ng under the microscope
> (which some might not find comfortable, but tough ****.)"
>
> the butt****er posts:
>
> On one occasion a butt****er overheard me on the beach saying something
> he thought homophobic. He physically attacked me, and I beat the ****
> out of him. How's that?
>
> Stephen R. Diamond
>
> Yet, it is true--only in numbers do butt****er have physical "courage."
>
> Anyway, what's your point? Trying making anarchist or communist sounds
> in a den of nazis and see what happens. Go on.
>
> Stephen R. Diamond
>
> You mean on his FBI witchhunt of Dahlgren?
>
> WHO ELSE JOINS YOU ON THIS, butt ****er?
>
> Stephen R. Diamond
>
> Come off it. Maybe butt ****er was not suitable for public utterance.
> (Nigger was not an insult, by the way).
>
> Read the quote carefully. Apart from the language, there is substanntive
> commentary on the issues. Engels wanted nothing to do with the
> homo***ual movement. He considered homo***uality "unnatural." Or, as I
> would say, pathological. He believed the homo***uals were out to exploit
> the workers movement. These comments are not about language.
>
> "Nigger" is derived from black, and it did not always have the
> connotations today. Tell me that "butt ****er" is not an expression of
> utter revulsion, and I will tell you what I say in the following
> paragrap.
>
> Louis, long ago I mentioned you were stupid, in the low IQ sense that
> Meberry rejects. Meberry notwithstanding, I have never changed that
> view. Stevens agreed with me at the time, but he will say anything to
> maintain a rottenn bloc.
>
> Continue reading thousands of books. It is all you can do. Your posts
> have proven you are unable to think, and the simplest of dialectics is
> beyond your puny tape recorder mind.
>
> Stephen R. Diamond
>
> Yes, it does amaze that those who call themselves socialists or whatever
> can do no better than the common ordinary butt ****er when it comes to
> defending their positions. Same argument?same mentality: the mentality
> of the pervert whose only real concern is gratification.
>
> Stephen R. Diamond
>
> You speak of the *gutter* butt ****er? What a joke.
>
> Stephen R. Diamond
>
> And what makes this so strange? Because YOU WILL DEFEND ONLY THOSE YOU
> AAGREE WITH. As soon as a serious disagreement surfaces, you identify
> with the aggressors against YOU, and imply a read out from the workers
> movement, based on one issue.
>
> What is so strange about my defense of the ***ual rights of butt****ers?
> (Although, I agree, I should re-evaluate this position, because Engels
> makes it clear he thinks butt ****ers HAVE ***NO*** RIGHTS as such. He
> seems even to oppose the laws "emancipating" homo***uals. I'll need more
> information to feel sure of Engels' position, and as for the present, I
> can't see how a communist cannot but defend the ***ual prerogative of
> perverts in consensual ***ual acts. It just is pretty much a non-issue
> today.
>
> (The Bolsheviks correctly abolished all criminal laws against consensual
> ***ual activity. Yet, to my knowledge, LENIN ****NEVER***** SAID A
> ***SINGLE*** WORD IN FAVOR OF THE RIGHTS OF HOMO***UALS. If the rights
> of homo***uals was so im****tant an issue--and surely it would be *more*
> im****tant in Russia than in the U.S.--is it not remarkable Lenin did not
> mention the objective of "emancipating" them a SINGLE time).
>
> You imply that because I address them as butt****ers I cannot defend
> their rights. Well, haven't I always defended YOUR rights on apst,
> despite the fact that I have always despised you, and would call you
> something worse than a butt ****er, were I only able to think of such a
> term.
>
> Stephen R. Diamond
>
> Kaufmanure has placed himself in the unenviable position of making an
> unverifiable BUT falsifiable claim. No wonder capitalist lackey kicks
> your butt, butt****er.
>
> BOYCOTT KAUFMANURE FOR CLAIMING DIAMOND IS A "HUMAN BEING!"
>
> srd
>
> Why would my beliefs determine your view of the consistency of what I
> have posted?
>
> Answer: you are unable to think for yourself, so you need guidelines.
> "He's a good comrade, so I believe what he posts."
>
> By the way, I read that very long posting that was supposed to be an
> answer to my arguments. It was far, far less competent than I expected.
> You are unable to answer an argument. Your "dialectics" consist of
> reaffirming positions. You are at a total loss to argue against a
> position, unless your party has provided you with pre-programmed
> answers. In short, you don't understand Marxism, dialectics, or probably
> ANY theoretical discipline.
>
> And yes, I did say "Butt ****er." I suppose you don't mind that Jimmy
> the Faggot said "s***bag" to me AND ABOUT SIX "COMRADES." Homo***uals
> get a free ride in Argentina as well as the United States.
>
> Besides, WHERE DO YOU THINK MOST OF THEM PUT IT????
>
> You are devoted to militance, but you have not learned to think, and you
> may never.
>
> Stephen R. Diamond
>
> Gavin tried to explain that socialists should not use certain terms of
> abuse, because using them shows one is not solidarizing with the
> "abused" sectors.
>
> Gavin is lost in liberal moralism--the empty gesture, the Kaufmanesque
> "taking of a moral stand."
>
> The reason Trotskyists avoid "nigger" is that its use is
> quasi-propositional. To say "nigger" is to say blacks are inferior. And,
> that is false and reactionary.
>
> What about "butt****er"? What proposition, if any, does the use of that
> term suggest? In my opinion the subtext is that gays are perverts. Since
> that is a true *****sment, it cannot be reactionary.
>
> It follows that I was wrong to apologize to the lurkers.
>
> srd
>
> Engels Quote Stumps the Butt ****ers & their Politically Hangers On
>
> The subject line says it all.
>
> Stephen R. Diamond
>
> Kaufmanure HATES communists. He HATES US because Engels spoke of him as
> a "butt****er."
>
> srd
>
> So, Kaufmanure thinks Constantine "means well." What would it take to
> have him think one does not mean well.
>
> To call him what he is, of course, a BUTT****ER.
>
> srd
>
> For the record, *almost* on every occasion on which I wanted a derisive
> term for gays, I used 'butt****er.' I was making a point. BUTT****ER IS
> WHAT ENGELS CALLED HOMO***UALS IN HIS LETTER TO MARX.
>
> Personal correspondence, yes, but retained with intention to see it
> published. (And, net bs is little more than personal correspondence).
>
> srd
>
> Kaufmanure you butt****er,
>
> Since you have made a career of deriding the lack of political activism
> in apst, I DEMAND that you tell them:
>
> 1. WHAT IS YOUR POLITICAL HISTORY?
>
> 2. WHAT ARE YOUR POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS?
>
> If you don't I shall take it upon myself to DRIVE you out of apst, by
> exposing you with this same message in every thread in which you post.
>
> srd
>
> By focusing all his energies on the Diamond Butt****er Rampage, Bill,
> the closeted homo***ual with the psychotic parent, puts Trotskyism at
> the center of discussion in apst.
>
> srd
>
> The right centrist Proyect pays LIP SERVICE to the primacy of
> fundamentals, but in practice for a long time was Kaufmanure the
> butt****er's primary ally, based only on Greenery, ...
>
> read more =BB
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