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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Vngelis wrote:
> On the Russian argument not long ago David argued the French groups
> all argued Russia was capitalist.
> The biggest group in the world still does not.
> For the record...
>
Lutte Ouvriere thought the USSR was a workers state until its=20
collapse. It does *not* think that Russia now is a workers state.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is one among the plethora of French=20
"far left" groups that still thinks Russia is a workers' state.
But not LO.
-jh-
>
> Who Are Lutte Ouvriere?
>...
> In debate on the Stalinist states, for example =97 where they had the
> curious view that the old USSR was a =93degenerated workers=92 state=94,
> while China, Eastern Europe, etc. were all =93bourgeois=94, despite (so
> they freely admitted) a similar social and economic structure =97 their
> backstop argument would always be: =93It=92s a moral choice=94. To
descri=
be
> the USSR as a degenerated workers=92 state was a choice for loyalty to
> the 1917 workers=92 revolution; to describe China, Eastern Europe, etc.
> as bourgeois was a choice for loyalty to the workers oppressed by the
> Stalinist takeovers there. Other views were morally weak and =97 what
> was, in this framework, saying the same thing in different words =97
> petty-bourgeois.
>
> This is a terribly limited and limiting culture =97 ultimately, I think,
> crippling. Nevertheless, the possible one and a half million votes on
> 23 April will not be for LO=92s sectarian limits, but for the general
> working-class revolutionary ideas which its campaign has managed to
> popularise. They will signal a revival of working-class radicalism
> which can be the basis for a revival of the French revolutionary left.
>
> =BB
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