On Jul 18, 1:25 am, John Holmes <jhol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Vngelis wrote:
> >...
> > The honour of the French left was restored by Pablos activities in
> > sup****t of the Algerian revolution from the early 1950's. He faced
> > stiff opposition both from the French chauvinists inside the left and
> > the left zionists inside the movement. The remnants of those policies
> > are still dictating the terms of historical reference.
>
> > Evidence of the matter is that
> > a) Walters runs MIA and has no historical clue about what happened in
> > France during this period
> > b) you have no clue
> > c) Einde, lets just say forget it there
>
> So Walters, me and Einde are The Represantatives of The Left in The
> World? The three of us, the secret masters of apst, are "dictating the
> terms of historical reference"?
>
> So if the three of us don't know (or sinisterly won't say?) what went
> down in France in the early 1960s re: Algeria that proves that a
> French chauvinist-left zionist conspiracy is in charge?
>
> Now, that's truly insane.
>
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> > What happened to Pablo in the 1960's was in direct pro****tion in
> > reverse to what he did in the 1950's, much in the same way that
> > Thornetts reaction to the negative aspect of Healyism drove him
> > eventually to the ranks of Labourism.
>
> > The problem wasn't Pablo in the 1960's per se but the trotskyist
> > movement post war in France and its relation****p with its own colonies
> > which had more close links with the tradition of stalinism than to
> > bolshevism.
>
> > The French CP was in government during the anti-colonial revolutions
> > in french indochina and it did next to nothing for the struggle for
> > Algerian independence...
>
> > Now specifically what actually happened and what the Mandelites did
> > isn't for a medium such as this.
>
> Indeed, gotta keep those 50-year-old secrets, who knows who is
> listening in?
>
> -jh-
>
> > vngelis
You have argued on this thread Pablo was a liquidationist genetically
going back to his birth... or some such nonsence.
Standard Spart school of falsification. What happened in the 1960's
isn't what happened in the 1950's.
The French left sup****ted imperialism in Algeria in its totality.
Under Pablos leader****p they orientated from the early 1950' towards
the colonial revolution. If by Pabloism you imply substituting the
revolutionary programme for non-working class forces, then I would
assume the Sparts line on Cuba of non-stalinist forces leading the
overthrow of class relations is as rightwing as Healy finding the
permanent revolution in Arafat.
As for sources I havent seen you produce one, but you argue as always
in a vacuum of a preset schema,
a) Pablo bad
b) Sparts-Healy good
Apart from being an anti-dialectical approach to history as if
positions aren't arrived at through conflict, discussion and
disagreement but one man is able to dictate to all.Its called the
straw man theory of history. Find a straw man, beat him to a pulp for
what happened later on his life and retrospectively prove he was
nonsense all along. By that analogy Bukharin, Zimoniev and Kamenev
were always worthless for what position they took during the stalinist
degeneration of the Russian Revolution.
Without Pablo in France post-war the French trots would have been even
more liquidationist than they have become today. My personal opinion
on the matter is precisely what happened to the pre-war intellectuals
in the USA. They went over to reaction, others at a fast pace others
at a slow one...
Deep down you are all Pabloites. Evidence of the fact that your left
zionism is to the right of Pablo in the 1950's.
Eindes group sup****ted US imperialism in Korea. Yours sup****ted it in
Iran. Healy there is no point in mentioning everyone knows his
positions.
vngelis
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