On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Vngelis wrote:
>...
> All leftwing groups are zionist one way or another. Whether its left
> or right wing zionism, the positions of the AWL on all the major
> issues are INDENTICAL to everybody elses.
Er, not on Israel I don't think. But whatever.
>
> This point was for Walters who argued incessantly that only nutters
> like us argue that capitalism hasn't been restored in Russia. LO on
> its own is bigger that all the Anglo-American trotskyoid groupings.
> And as Walters is obssessed by size not by positions as he cant argue
> against them, he has to show me where LO are defending the view that
> capitalism has been restored.
OK, that is an argument you can have with Walters, but not with me. I
am not obsessed by size, and he can speak for himself on this point.
>
> For what reason they hold the position I do not know, but they are
> more astute when it comes to the role of Russia than the standard
> tripe that goes for state capitalism. Now if Lambers grouping has the
> same position as them that means a majority of the French groupings
> have our position on Russia.
If the AWL description is accurate, it is not really a position but
moralistic inertia and indifference to Marxist theory. And something
that will surely Go Away as a result of their decision to bloc with
the French Socialist Party.
As for the Lambertistes, that is another matter. Lambert's very
Deutscherite assertion in September of 1991 that capitalist
restoration would be *impossible* was a great justification for their
sup****t of the "democratic" movement behind Yeltsin.
It tells you nothing about what their position is now. They are not LO
and they have surely changed their analysis since 1991, whether or not
they have changed their "position," which was really not a position
but a prognosis, and one that now is obviously wrong.
In September 1991, the Spartacists didn't think it was a capitalist
state either.
-jh-
>
> The Anglo-American position therefore is a minority amongst ostensible
> trotskyists like I argued previously.
> SRD can verify this is what we were arguing some while back.
> vngelis
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