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by nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 21, 2008 at 12:41 PM

On Jul 21, 10:52 am, stephen <srdiam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Jul 20, 12:03 pm, nada <dwalters...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > The writer, I learned, is a sup****ter of the ICC, the International
> > Communist Current or, as Lenin referred to them "Left-Communists".
> > --David
>
> At least they are sincere ultra-lefts - as opposed to right centrists
> with an ultraleft, open-borders, cover.
>
> It would be nice if Holmes tried to state what this essay resolves
> factually, that wasn't always known here by all parties to the
> discussion. Open borders and the rights of immigrant workers are
> completely separate questions. Confusing them was until recently the
> mark of anarchists and other ultralefts. The Spart role is to confuse
> open borders and immigrant rights from a formal standpoint opposing
> open borders, by  the Sparts' contempt for propaganda addressed to
> workers' desiring to struggle against excessive immigration. The Spart
> line cripples the real struggle against NAFTA, Maastricht, and other
> reactionary, globalist measures.
>
> srd

"Right centrist"? Kettle, black.

At any rate, I don't think even the SL claims to *influence* the
struggle against globalization. Real currents that have *prioritized*
and actually *initiated* actions against globalization, as opposed to
just raising idle theoretical ping-pong matches about it, all have
defense of immigrants in the forefront or central place in their
campaigns. That's because they know that  globalization forces workers
to immigrant which has been proven by the onslaught of structural
adjustment programs everywhere, even internally, like China, which has
150 million internal migrants.

These groups are the only ones struggling against Maastricht, etc.
And, even this is narrowed because many groups want a 'better' NAFTA
or a 'better' Maastrict as oppose to a real struggle against it.

David
 




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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-07-19 10:08:09 
Re: =?windows-1252?Q?The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Workers=92_
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-07-19 18:25:50 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-07-20 12:03:21 
=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Workers=9
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-21 10:52:06 
=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Workers=9
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-07-21 12:41:48 
=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Workers=9
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-22 12:52:47 
=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Workers=9
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-07-22 18:10:33 
=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Workers=9
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-23 11:09:47 
=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Workers=9
dave.walters@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-24 07:37:04 
=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Workers=9
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-30 10:39:26 
=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Workers=9
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-06 20:36:08 
Re: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Worke
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-06 22:19:49 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-07 13:18:59 
Re: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Worke
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-07 23:58:26 
P&F: electoral death of pink socialism
"David Stevens"  2008-08-08 10:05:23 
Re: P&F: electoral death of pink socialism
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-08 11:59:13 
Re: P&F: electoral death of pink socialism
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-08 11:59:23 
(minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink socialism
"David Stevens"  2008-08-20 12:59:03 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-13 12:57:07 
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nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-13 16:21:18 
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stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-13 16:55:14 
=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Workers=9
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-13 19:17:12 
=?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_The_Immigration_Question_in_the_Workers=9
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-14 17:14:58 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-20 16:11:25 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-20 17:17:50 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
"David Stevens"  2008-08-20 22:57:11 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-21 08:21:13 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
"David Stevens"  2008-08-23 08:49:00 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-23 11:08:18 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
"David Stevens"  2008-08-25 21:41:43 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-26 09:38:46 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
"David Stevens"  2008-08-30 10:35:44 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-26 18:04:23 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-26 19:07:26 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-26 23:35:01 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-27 07:25:16 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-27 09:15:55 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-27 15:52:35 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-27 22:09:01 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-27 22:33:34 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-28 07:34:54 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-28 07:35:30 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-28 09:57:28 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-28 18:40:53 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-29 05:58:54 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
"David Stevens"  2008-08-30 10:35:56 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-08-29 13:17:22 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-30 12:06:44 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
"David Stevens"  2008-08-30 12:39:12 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-30 12:07:53 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-31 01:07:02 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-30 14:59:36 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-08-30 21:07:50 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-08-31 15:12:42 
Re: (minor corrections) Re: P&F: electoral death of pink sociali
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-08-31 01:12:57 

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