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Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th International in the United States

by ross <nobody@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 23, 2008 at 01:11 AM

stephen <srdiamond@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
news:15840715-37fb-44d3-8277-750a883df9f8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

> On Jul 22, 9:07 am, pattyjoe <pattyjoetwee...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> i would love to hear more from people in response to the essay
>> written by Alan Benjamin for Socialist Organizer. i have long been
>> impressed with them theoretically, and wonder what critiques others
>> might offer, aside from the usual, snide, substance-free
>> denunciating. 
> 
> Most of the article lays out the position of, at one time,  the entire
> International Committee. There is at least one interesting novelty,
> the position that the SWP experienced a tem****ary partial relapse into
> Trotskyism with its approach to the Vietnam War, while most in the IC
> at the time considered the SWP thoroughly pacifist in approach. What
> impresses the Lambertistes is the holding of democratic mass meeting
> to organize demonstrations, the meetings open to all tendencies
> opposed to the war. I think this position, perhaps a re*****sment,
> must relate to the organizational forms the Lambertistes have taken
> up, involving broad organizations open to all tendencies, directed
> against expressions of "globalising imperialism."
> 
> Those of us disposed to straight-up Trotskyism don't have many
> choices. The positions compatible with resisting Pabloism and the USec
> reunification boil down to Healy, Lambert, Robertson. and the vngelis
> position, that the Fourth International failed to survive WWII. The
> main problem I have with the Lambertistes is their view of the
> developments in the workers states, including and most im****tantly
> their sup****t of Yeltsin and of the capitalist reunification of
> Germany. But then, on these matters I haven't read their position.
> 
> srd
> 

As I recall our positions in the early 70s, we were for a reunited
Germany, but opposed to a capitalist reunification such as actually took
place. I don't recall any su****t for Yeltsin, but then I radiated in
about 1980, before the consummation of the Stalinist betrayal. 

--
Ross
 




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The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th Internatio
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-18 23:50:09 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th Intern
ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-21 02:09:13 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
Big Fat Fuck <bigfatph  2008-07-21 15:12:24 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th Int
Einde O'Callaghan <ein  2008-07-22 09:10:51 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
pattyjoe <pattyjoetwee  2008-07-22 09:07:23 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th Inter
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-07-22 09:49:41 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-22 13:22:25 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-07-22 15:39:54 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-22 15:42:13 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
nada <dwaltersMIA@[EMA  2008-07-22 16:19:52 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-22 16:23:47 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th Inter
ross <nobody@[EMAIL PR  2008-07-23 01:11:22 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th Inter
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-07-22 16:36:15 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-22 23:35:28 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
dave.walters@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-23 05:58:08 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-23 10:29:30 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th Inter
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-07-23 10:32:03 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-23 10:45:27 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th Inter
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-07-23 10:45:30 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
Big Fat Fuck <bigfatph  2008-07-23 14:48:27 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
dave.walters@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-24 07:28:36 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
dave.walters@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-24 07:30:51 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th Inter
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-07-24 14:56:13 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th Inter
John Holmes <jholmes@[  2008-07-24 15:01:13 
Re: The Lambertiste Perspective on the History of the 4th
stephen <srdiamond@[EM  2008-07-29 20:19:30 

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